Iraq Issues

[Caid Ivik]

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[nampigai]

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[Acriku]

France has existed since Caesar and probably before then, just under the name Gaul.

[Edric O]

Emprworm, weren't you the one to say that motives are irrelevant as long as you do the right thing? (about Bush and Afganistan)

Well, I agree. Whatever motives France and Russia have (oil, for example) are irrelevant. What matters is that they are doing the right thing.

[nemafakei]

I strongly disagree. An alternative to war is pretty definitely the right thing (in my opinion), but we cannot condone ill intent.

Anyone else laugh when Blix threw one of Colin Powell's bits of 'evidence' out of the window?

You'd think the US would be just that littel bit less desperate than to display "what could have easily been a routine operation"

[TMA_1]

yes that was so funny. Colin even looked aghast.lol America has become a laughing stock.

[Dude_Doc]

Swedish newspaper says that veihles are entering right now, Turkish marked... or something like that...

I wonder if the invasion will start soon... thing are indeed getting tense...

[Gobalopper]

Dude_Doc the US has had people in Iraq for months now and they are already bombing in the no fly zone along with the UK. The war has technically already started.

[VigilVirus]

Well, there will never be a war. There will be a conflict.

A war requires a declaration of war ::)

[Gobalopper]

Ok its an undeclared war. :)

The US hasn't declared war since WWII I think...?

I was listening to the radio last night and they had a former weapons inspector on. I found some interesting articles about some of the things he was talking about.

http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=2002/12/6/111433

http://newsmax.com/showinside.shtml?a=2003/1/25/03638

[Gobalopper]

http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,896587,00.html

Its long but worth reading.

[Edric O]

Errr, Gob, have you looked around the site which posted the two news articles you linked to above? (www.newsmax.com, I think)

Did you notice the part about "Sept. 11th - China's master plan to destroy America"? Or the stuff about "Immigration is out of control! Tell President Bush to deport illegal aliens"? ::)

Somehow, I don't think that's a source I would trust...

[Gobalopper]

Well one is an interview and the other is just a report on what the guy said. I was just looking for print versions of what he talked about last night and those were the first pages google returned.

[Acriku]

Didn't Sr Bush declare war on the Iraq soldiers in Kuwait?

[exatreide]

A president can delcare war

it takes congress to do that

[Dude_Doc]

It seems that the US will remove all their forces from Germany (move to Poland). I read it recently... heck, Germany will be pissed of...

[Edric O]

Germany *is* pissed off.

Did you see the huge anti-war demonstrations all over Europe yesterday? In London alone there were over 1 million people! :O

In Germany, a few ministers actually participated in the demonstrations. :)

[nampigai]

well if I was Bundeskansler I would demand a public excuse from mr. Rumsfeld.

qoute: "there's some countries that wouldn't like to see a war, I believe it's such countries as Lybia, Syria and...Germany" unqoute (correct me if I'm wrong)

[Emperor Harkonnen]

I believe war is not an option whatsoever. I am against war! it might lead to nuclear war if saddam really has got chemical weapons.

[VigilVirus]

Ummm, no it won't. Only use of nuclear weapons can lead to nuclear war. Duh.

[Anathema]

I'm really pissed with our current prime minister, Balkenende. If the majority of a country is against war, you'd think that their leadership would reflect that ::)

[DukeLeto]

Hehe:

http://www.yourbigfun.com/giggles/view.cfm?page_id=240

A little relief from the seriousness.

[Timenn]

It's too bad I couldn't be there with those demonstrations. I had to work....

But Balkenende is just plain stupid. How can you want to fight such war?

I'm just tired of people who always think about wars, wars and wars.

We had wars since the existence of humanity. Did that help in making peace?

Never...

Wars will always lead to new wars. Until there is no one left. And I don't think that is what everyone wants.

[nemafakei]

"In Germany, a few ministers actually participated in the demonstrations. "

Same here; among them Mo Mowlam, an ex-cabinet MP (who seemed very ill) and Charles Kennedy, the Leader of the Lib Dems (Third largest party)

Acc to the BBC, one of the slogans was "Make Tea, Not War". Heheh.

[Dude_Doc]

Well, I can say that at least it is better to have wars form time to time, instead of having a one big, neverending war that represents all wars...