emprworm Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 UN inspectors could find a 10,000 Square Kilometer underground advanced weapons construction facility with recombinant DNA weapons, super-advanced cloned human solidiers, high yield electomagentic pulse weapons, 150 Megaton Nuclear Fusion Bombs, A prototype high-altitude VX-Gas atmospheric delivery system, a massive arsenal of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons, heck even a "mini-black hole" gun, and warp technologyand you would STILL have half the world telling us that don't have any evidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timenn Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 We can also find 3 duck toys, dart arrows, and a water pistol. And then Bush is going to say that there is enough evidence.Why won't Bush want to cooperate fully with the Inspectors. They only seem to be interested in yet another war.And if there is war more countries will be made to hate the USA...I read recently an article about the historic ruines in Iraq. All ruines of the Babylonians. Do you really want to destroy those ruines, just for some oil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 no, I'd hate to see any archaeological site destroyed. Frankly, I am amazed...astounded that so much history survived world war II. Hitler could have easilly carpet bombed historical sites, I sometimes wonder why he didn't target them (or did he?).But the UN inspectors are not on a scavenger hunt. It is undisputed that Saddam had in his possession thousands of canisters of poison gas. He needs to account for them. We already know they exist and under his control in 1998. Any reasonable court of law would rule sufficient guilt of posession if the person charged does not give an account for it. If sadaam doesn't have them, he simply gives an account. but we will see what happens today when the UN inspectors meet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 What Sadam does is irrelevant, that there would be a war was already decided last year afte 9/11 by Bush. Bad times, like war, do good stuff to popularity- look how much he got away with post 9/11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 What Sadam does is irrelevant, that there would be a war was already decided last year afte 9/11 by Bush. Bad times, like war, do good stuff to popularity- look how much he got away with post 9/11.i do not agree with that. Bush already said that exile is acceptable to avoid war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 I read recently an article about the historic ruines in Iraq. All ruines of the Babylonians. Do you really want to destroy those ruines, just for some oil?You uniformed parody of amerophob! Not saying that these ruins are in deep desert, also they are already ruined, but have you heard about that Eufrat dam which will flood whole ancient Assur? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 Did anyone watch that programme on the BBC about Iraq's architechture and how Saddam is wrecking it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 So, Saddam built many nice palaces. In one of them he has a dolphin farm according to my neighbour ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobalopper Posted February 14, 2003 Author Share Posted February 14, 2003 There comes a point when something has to be done. The UN can't just keep passing resolutions forever telling Saddam to comply, at some point force will have to be used. Germany has said outright that they don't want war, they aren't even considering it. How can the UN do its job if a member of the security council has stated they aren't even going to consider war as an option?The US is not forcing a war, if they just wanted war they wouldn't have gone to the UN in the first. If Saddam would actually comply with the UN they wouldn't have any problem. But he hasn't done that and has shown no signs of doing that.The problem is that a lot of people, in Europe especially, think that this is just about oil. I'm not sure where you have gotten this and I haven't seen you post any proof. Meanwhile I've posted links explaining how both France and Russia have billions of dollars invested in Iraq, notice how they are against war? If you are going to make claims like that at least backup them up with evidence. Otherwise you sound like you don't know what you are talking about and are basing your opinion about this on something you can't even prove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 The problem is that a lot of people, in Europe especially, think that this is just about oilwell, Gob, I think that is true. For france and russia, it IS all about oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 If you didn't know, Russia IS one of the world's biggest producers of oil. In fact, oil is Russia's greatest export. Russia is in no way interested in Iraq's oil. It is interested in getting back the money that it lended to Iraq a while back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobalopper Posted February 14, 2003 Author Share Posted February 14, 2003 Russian companies do have oil interests in Iraq and as far as I know that is on top of the money Iraq already owes them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 Who cares what countries' motivations are, they need money to keep the country standing, and do we know what they would spend it on? I don't think it matters one bit that they want oil from Iraq, unless it becomes overly greedy and not getting the exact share of what they are owed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobalopper Posted February 14, 2003 Author Share Posted February 14, 2003 I don't care either but if that is why they don't want to go to war then it does matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 But wouldn't they get their oil or money after the war is done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobalopper Posted February 14, 2003 Author Share Posted February 14, 2003 Well they wouldn't be guaranteed it, at least they haven't been yet as far as I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 Oh ok, now I understand. Well hopefully they would be guaranteed that money so they can support the war and send supplies for a clean sweep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted February 14, 2003 Share Posted February 14, 2003 That would sound like a bribe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 With the money they are owed? Sounds a bit stretched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 Trust me, it will be taken by France and Russia as a US bribe to change their opinions and sway them to their side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 If that is the only reason why they do not support such a war, then I couldn't see why they wouldn't agree to then support the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 It might be the only reason, and it might be just what they want, but they will use it against US to make it look bad just like the always do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobalopper Posted February 15, 2003 Author Share Posted February 15, 2003 On Capitol Hill, the growing anger has bubbled to the surface in off-color jokes about French arrogance or past military defeats. House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, recently told reporters about an argument over the Iraq situation he said he had with a Frenchman in Houston."It was obvious we were not going to agree," DeLay said. "And I said, 'Wait a minute. Do you speak German?' And he looked at me kind of funny and said, 'No, I don't speak German.' And I said, 'You're welcome,' turned around and walked off.'":Dhttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/02/14/MN79429.DTL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exatreide Posted February 15, 2003 Share Posted February 15, 2003 just something i noticed......how is germany and france old europe?Germany has only existed since when around 1875? or 1876? or something around there.before then they wereTHE HOLY FREAKING ROMAN EMPIRE........er.......cough cough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobalopper Posted February 15, 2003 Author Share Posted February 15, 2003 I think it just means there aren't up with the times. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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