evilbaronatreides Posted February 4, 2002 Posted February 4, 2002 Someone said "moron"!!! Thats not very nice yea know!!! Here's a little food for thought: What IF (i use IF strongly) you are wrong? What if there is a God? Ands here's another thing to think aboot: Yes, there is no evidence to prove the existence of a God, but at the same time there is no evidence to disprove the existence of God. Use this anology to help: The satement "There is another galaxy in our universe that doesnt follow the Laws of Physics that abide in our planet/galaxy" can be proven correct if a galaxy is found with said effects, but can never be proven wrong. Why? We could search an infinate amount of galaxies and not find a single planet with no physics, but that doesn't mean one does not exist, you would have to continue looking for one. There could be one just around the next proverbial corner. So the process would continue until proven right (kinda sucks doesnt it)On a lesser note: I can't speak from experience, but I thought as atheism as simply the removing of a "heavenly diety" from ones life aspects, not "I don't believe in God" since with this phrase you acknowledge the fact there is a God, which kinda puts atheism to moot."Thou art God" (*snickers hehhehheheh)
BOUNTYHUNTER296 Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 i was wondering does every god has a glowing on them because i think gob is glowing and all u are glowing tooim to use to dark times yes at nightwhy are their religious crusades?whats the purpose of a crusade? a crusade is just getting more ppl die
nampigai Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 Crusades are holy quests In the middle ages they tried to take back Jerusalem, and slay the heritics.
nemafakei Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 Evilbaron, the proofs against god are logic, not example. It's nigh on impossible to disprove the existence of something by example - only by logic. My last post are examples of such logic.Contrastingly, if something DOES exist, it should be incredibly easy to prove it either by example or by logic. Which has not yet been done here or anywhere else.
Gunseng_Harkonnen Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 Christianity is religion which one time says one thing and second time another. Maybe that`s the reason why christians are so hypocritical. When Muslim says he is muslim I can belive him, but christians (not everyone but a lot of them) going to church but don`t believe in God, they are doing it to show people how religious they are, but in the hearths they aren`t realy christians.And what`s about children who died before baptism?They will go to hell?
Edric O Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 Asdrubaal, I feel sorry for you, honestly. Anyone who can be ignorant enough to laugh in the face of Religion is far less intelligent than the most brainwashed fanatics... I'm afraid your low IQ will cause you great problems...Nema:1. Does the Star Trek prime directive seem logical to you? Notice that suffering is the work of man. God just doesn't want to interfere. He wants to test us. What kind of a test is one for which all the answers are correct? Without evil, we could not do anything wrong.2. Different religions can't all be true, of course. Nobody ever claimed that! As for intra-religion contradictions, those are the results of either mistranslations or the fact that some authors didn't pay much attention to detail. Before you say "But is some parts of the Bible aren't accurate, how do you know it isn't all wrong" remember that the important events and quotes are much more likely to be written the way they happened (especially because they were holy) than details like the road Jesus took from one town to the next.3. There are limits to science. How do you expect to scientifically discover what is "outside" our Universe? By definition, that is impossible, because we must rely on our laws of physics in order to observe something. And no matter how powerful are our machines, we are limited by our senses. There might be many things in the Universe that can't be detected by our senses or our technology. Neutrinos are close to being that.Besides, simply explaining things is only a minor part of religion.4. How do you know what Christianity/Judaism is founded on, in absence of records? As far back as our sources go, Judaism has remained practically unchanged. Its origins are anyone's guess.5. Of course not. That would defeat the point of *believing*.
Edric O Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 UsulSK:Science accepts changes, given enough proof... Same applies to religion, ya know. Give enough proof that you are a messenger of God and your changes will be accepted. (by most people, anyway)New ideas take time to be accepted not just because they are hard to understand... people (ALL people) have a natural tendency to reject change, some sort of inertia.What's wrong with a dictator who imposes a set of just and moral rules? As far as I can see, you don't like the punishement, but I'm sure you agree with the rules.Hell is just the absence of God. The suffering is a sort of side-effect of it... Well, yes, I know God intended it that way. However, keep in mind that God isn't torturing anyone. He's not in hell, so He cannot affect those inside.Also, I think all humans DESERVE hell. You obviously don't agree with that. This is the core of our argument.Maybe YOU don't become a murderer because you don't follow God, but others do!God's opinion can be found in the Bible. In the OT He talks through His prophets, while in the NT He comes as a man to tell us His opinion (and many other useful things beside it).Also, notice that the Bible contains many examples of holy men which at one time disobeyed God. Those ancient figures aren't some superhuman heroes, they have their usual human faults.You think we are hypocrites? Maybe we should appeal to God to let everyone in heaven. I'm sure it would be so nice to have Hitler, Jack the Ripper and a bunch of other nice fellows up there. :rolleyes:God keeps on loving even the people in hell. And why do you think Christians want to convert others so badly? BECAUSE WE WANT THEM TO GO TO HEAVEN!Gunseng, the people you're reffering to aren't even Christians, they're just pretending... yes, they are hypocrites. But if they don't believe, how can you call them Christians?I'm aware that Christianity is going through some very rough times now, but guess who's fault is that? I've met people who make Bin Laden look tolerant...
Asdrubaal Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 Edric O: Do my IQ rating show up in my signature or something. Am i stupid to believe in a thing that has not been proved, nor argumented for? Am i stupid to believe in a far more sound theory than god? There are evidence of the Evolution theory, not for gods existence. Many religious people claim that he can exist because Atheists cant disprove his existence, but even if it cannot be prooved and disprooved at the same time, does not mean that it is the truth. Insulting me does not help in any way when argumenting the existence of god at all; after all, i could say that a purple unicorn made the earth and the universe, and hey, you cant disprove that theory! So until god makes an appearance, i will continue my life as i wish....
exatreide Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 Stop saying that in hell there is torture. No whare in the bible dose it say that there is torture in hell it says torment. Torment from god. Heaven is forced love. And forced love is rape god is not his devine rapist is he? dident think so. Hell is for people who want to do there own thing away from god and stuff. Thats my moms ideas anyway. So dont flame me. flame her......
nemafakei Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 "god is not his devine rapist is he"Conception of Jesus by Mary? (I don't have a quote. I REALLY need to get a NT in its original)"some authors didn't pay much attention to detail"The Qu'ran is supposed to be the direct word of Allah, written manually by Mohammed. And any god could at least ensure that people were worshipping the right god..."What kind of a test is one for which all the answers are correct?"Why set a test for if you already know what the outcome will be, since god is omniscient?"Of course not. That would defeat the point of *believing*. "Well that is just silly. You're effectively saying to hell with rational decision, I'll believe in god for no real reason except that I have this hunch that there is a god. And that faith is better than logic, in which this discussion would be pointless."And no matter how powerful are our machines, we are limited by our senses. "No, we are limited by their senses... which we can extend damn far.
quoudam72 Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 "some authors didn't pay much attention to detail"The Qu'ran is supposed to be the direct word of Allah, written manually by Mohammed. And any god could at least ensure that people were worshipping the right god...Muhammad did not write the Qu'ran, it is the direct word of Allah through the Arch angel Gabriel.
ordos45 Posted February 5, 2002 Author Posted February 5, 2002 The Qu'ran is supposed to be the direct word of Allah, written manually by Mohammed.Nema No Nema, Shogun would be correct. Anyhow, not only that, but the Quoran wasn't even compiled until after Mohammed's death, it was never written down before that. One of his successors ordered it and it took twenty years to complete that task. Mohammed was actually illiterate, so he had to spread the word of Allah by word of mouth."Christianity is religion which one time says one thing and second time another. Maybe that`s the reason why christians are so hypocritical. When Muslim says he is muslim I can belive him, but christians (not everyone but a lot of them) going to church but don`t believe in God, they are doing it to show people how religious they are, but in the hearths they aren`t realy christians."GunsengMuslims aren't hypocritical? It is against the faith of Islam to take a life, just as it is in Christianity. The Muslims have fought amongst themselves as long as Christians have. Oh, and the only thing you have to do to become a Muslim is to say you will follow its five pillars, and admit that Allah is the true God, and that Mohammed is his prophet. That and pray at least five times a day facing Makkah: sunrise, morning, noon, sunset, evening.
quoudam72 Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 Now anybody could be hypocritical, that's not even a discussion point.
Sardauker-Kirov Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 Oh wait..... My Machine just said... Nema's Picture is very sneaky!....Oh no wait.... The Green Text's is actualy made by our Eyes.....And wait! Hitler's dad was a Snake acording to the Machine!! LoL, I agree with the " Science has Limits " Super Natural things can never be discoverd by Science
Acriku Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 Who are you to say science has it's limits? How far have we gone into science? Not that far my friend, and if science has taught us one thing it is that science will only grow bigger and more advanced. Our minds most likely cannot comprehend 1% of the things science can do in 1000 years, and who is to say it won't reach supernatural levels? No one knows, so don't say it can't.
evilbaronatreides Posted February 5, 2002 Posted February 5, 2002 There is ambigiouity in science? Makes sense...Its funny Asdrubaal that you are insulted by what Edric O said (and he says lots of stuff that can upset people) about you, yet didn't you insult all those who had religions by calling them "morons"...Ordos45, true we are all hypocrites. We turn our opinons around every day, but I think its the sincerity that we turn those ideals around. If we do it because we saw a different point of view and found that as reasonable and acceptable, then that change has sincerity. If we change an ideal for the sake of someone else or for personal gain (not enlightenment), thats a bit hypocrtical.
nemafakei Posted February 6, 2002 Posted February 6, 2002 "Mohammed was actually illiterate, so he had to spread the word of Allah by word of mouth"I thought that part of it was that he was directed how to write it even though illiterate. Anyway, my point was that it was the direct word of Allah (through Jibril). "Super Natural things can never be discoverd by Science"How could you possibly know this for sure?
UsulSK Posted February 6, 2002 Posted February 6, 2002 >He's not in hell, so He cannot affect those inside. Oh, this poor god.
quoudam72 Posted February 6, 2002 Posted February 6, 2002 If believing in god is all it takes to go to heaven, then its a pretty poor religion.Why we live a life full of hell, why does getting into heaven have to be difficult?But how do you explain the change of god from an "eye for an eye" god to a "forgive and forget" god then?
Acriku Posted February 6, 2002 Posted February 6, 2002 Shogun ever hear of man being totally different than God? Ever hear of them not even to be in the same comparison? And life isn't full of hell, or is hell, because life is great and life is plentiful. If you think life is hell, then it should be for you, but let us life-lovers be happy.
quoudam72 Posted February 6, 2002 Posted February 6, 2002 I said life was full of hell not that life was hell. Indeed life is wonderful but it still has it's moments of hell or should I say people who raise hell in this lifetime. And because I made the statement that life is hell does not mean I hate life, if that were the case i would have just said that instead. ;)The Christain god has always saw fit when to change laws that is nothing new, read the bible from Genesis to revelations and you can see where this takes place many different times. God and man are different but what is the true goal that God has in mind for man?
quoudam72 Posted February 6, 2002 Posted February 6, 2002 And I never said I know for sure God exists or not, I just believe He doesn't. I may be wrong, I may not be. As I said, anything can happen. So why would you say man and God are different, if you do not believe in God. Why even reply to my post at all if this is your belief?
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