Largest country/empire

[Inoculator9]

That was the problem. Russia is totally equal, except for a handful of people at the top.That becomes something like total power. And power does corrupt.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

They rob you blind in Russia, both by the goverment and the people. That's what I atleast heared.

[Inoculator9]

Russia's economy under communism is not going to improve.

[Caid Ivik]

Because whole Lenin's communism was based on stealing!

[Edric O]

Yes. Lenin's communism.

[Inoculator9]

Exactly, Lenin's communism. He perverted it into a means to further his own agenda.

[Anathema]

Lenin was an ass. Spraying propaganda about democracy and in the meanwhile set aside the elections and perform a coup.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

maybe what lenin did, but I liked Stalin ;D

[Caid Ivik]

Stalin? Because he carried biggest terror in our history to his own state? You should find better idols,

[Edric O]

Lenin was offered a position in a democratic coalition government... but noooooo, he wanted all power for himself! ::)

[AWACS]

Lenin only had full power because he was the only one who understanded what was meant to be, all the others that would of been the goverment didn't understand it as Lenin did . Stalin? Why Stalin he was one of the most corrupt!

[Anathema]

The entire soviet union was corrupt. Most people earned low wages, others didn't earn nothing because they were in labour camps while the party leaders had huge pay checks.

Surprisingly, in the early years the labourers were quite productive because they believed in what they were doing.

[Caid Ivik]

In early years? First years of the Soviet Union were full only of wars and starvation. Soviet propaganda was a biggest lie inour history.

[babyface]

They rob you blind in Russia, both by the goverment and the people. That's what I atleast heared.

In America everybody is FAT and STUPID.. They are all capitalistic thiefs and would kill their brother for money

That's what I at least heared ::)

[Anathema]

Duuuuh- the people starved despite the fact they worked hard. Grain production was sufficient, but most of it was taken away by the communist party for export.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

They sold it so that they could use the money to keep up with usa in weapon production.

soviet used 50% of their income to buy weapon, while USA only used don't remember was it 10% or 30%??

[Caid Ivik]

Building of army was horrible and primitive. But they also did not work hard. In communism, there is no reward for harder work, so everyone did as low as he could. That's why post-communist countries can't reach West in productivity. Come to Slovakia and you'll see. They've made from us a lazy band.

[Anathema]

Old argument. In the early days labourers were still motivated by the propaganda "building the nation" and stuff. Grain production was kept at the same level.

[Caid Ivik]

They've laughed at that propaganda.

MY STROJIM SOCJALIZM!

[Anathema]

Eventually anyway. But the grain produced could have fed the Soviet people, but a lot of it was exported. Damn leninists.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

hey don't critizise communism >:(

[Anathema]

I'm not criticising communism, but the Soviet union. It violated just about all the principles of communism, such as equal wages or feeding everybody. Communism can work, IMHO, if carried out the way it's supposed too. Look at Cuba, lot's better then the Soviet union.

[Caid Ivik]

Food would be enough, but that's all. If communism was still here, I wouldn't be able to write here. Look at China. Can you imagine internet censorment? Go to Cuba. People there are just partially educated, on university you can study only if you are "politically non-problematic". With religious believe you can be maximally a miner. Or hunted as a "spy of Vatican and imperialistic ideology".

[Anathema]

The people in Cuba do get decent education. Furthermore, Cuba has more docters per capita then the US.

And as for "politically non-problematic" education, that happens as well in the US and Europe. Sure, you won't be denied acess to college if you say you're a communist ::), but you will be socially discriminated and people will consider you an outcast.

And Castro is way better then Batista. Batista was a pro American facist dictator who, along with some capitalist friends, exploited the masses. Castro may be a dictator, but he made communism work (to a degree) and cares about the masses.

[Sneakgab]

''Building of army was horrible and primitive. But they also did not work hard. In communism, there is no reward for harder work, so everyone did as low as he could. That's why post-communist countries can't reach West in productivity. Come to Slovakia and you'll see. They've made from us a lazy band. ''

If the only thing that motivates humans to do any work is greed, then there is essentially no point to debating what is wrong or right as we should just go out and do whatever to get money because as humans, that is all we care about...

Additionally, if the only motivating factor for humans is greed, then I hope we all get instantly killed because their would be little point to our continued existence as eventually we would even destroy ourselves ;D