exatreide Posted August 27, 2003 Posted August 27, 2003 yup.that time they had my posts that said it. and i admited it.This time they have nothing, not a word from TMA, Not a word of proof in IMs no confessions from me, nothing at all.and yet the kicked me.
thomas Posted August 27, 2003 Posted August 27, 2003 what bullshit,and why is there a landsraad gag rule? and why is it so heavily enforced? ???
exatreide Posted August 27, 2003 Posted August 27, 2003 what bullshit,and why is there a landsraad gag rule? and why is it so heavily enforced? ???No shit.Becouse its a private discussion board where the older counlcer members go their, its like vegas aparently what goes their stays their, unless of course you suspect a member did something but had absoulty no proof that they did at all.
Apollyon Posted August 27, 2003 Posted August 27, 2003 I think I'll start my own sect, have in-fighting and then post a thread here about it without mentioning any details and then if anyone asks I'll say it's none of your business.
gryphon Posted August 27, 2003 Posted August 27, 2003 About the reasons why ExAtreides his Landsraad status has been revoked, it is a matter going on inside The Landsraad and as such ment for them and them alone.The gag rule isn't enforced as much as mayby claimed. As we all kow about NaMp's drinking problem, the AMN channel and Acriku's frequent trips to an, further nameless island near Curacau that he has been billing on his Dad's creditcard for 13 months now. Not to forget Earthnuker, The Doc, Timenn and myself who are planning to take over the world. In which Lord_Johnsonius has become a pown he is only recently becomming aware of.Trust is one of the things required to get a position within The Landsraad. And also to keep that position. These actions are a matter for The Landsraad and as such the responsebilety is strickly one for those member, no explenation should and will be given in the open boards.I feel sorry that you have been removed from The Landsraad Ex, although I also want to congratulate you [ is that the word I am lookiing for ? ] with your place among the forum staff. :) They only comfort you might have is that the 50%+1 vote took time to get a majority with still members casting a "undesided" vote.
Apollyon Posted August 27, 2003 Posted August 27, 2003 Thanks, Gryphon. You said that better than I did.Don't mind me. I'll be back with a random cult and start a thread about it in THE OPEN BOARDS and tell you all to mind your own businnes k?
exatreide Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 Thanks for explaining nothing, basicly you just said i was removed becouse poeple said so becouse of false information and rumors. ::)I have not betrayed your trust, show me the convo with TMA where i have betrayed your trust.show me this.Right now.Show me the convo Show me his or mine confession about itShow me right nowI DEMAND THAT YOU SHOW EVIDENCE THAT I DID THIS.Or are you simply going to kick me becouse of wild speculation and rumor?
fremfedeliteNIAC Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 DEATH TO LANSRAAD!!!MUHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAH!!!! WOOOOOOOOO!!
Seal89999 Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 This is bull shit..........if there is no proof than Ex was kicked because of a rumor.I cant believe that you guys would blame Ex like this without any leg to stand on and then punish him..!!??!!If you guys are positive of this than by all means dish out the proof of what you claim......Or all will be aware than the landstraad kicked out Exatreides for nothing......He has served us, helped us, assisted us when was needed...And now you guys repay him with thisCant believe this......Complete utter bull shit.....
Atomic Mitten Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 TMA who's that ?I might be a new member but as a believer in justice I agree that a case must be proven beyond reasonable doubt !Also that everyone should have the right to defend themselves.This sounds like when a friend/neighbour/relative or co worker starts some rumour about someone so everyone starts blanking that person or even worse, that person is completely ignorant as to the reason why people are acting strange towards him !Unless someone tells him or her what's being said he will never know !I bet everyone of us has been through this situation whether we know about it or not.So maybe everyone involved should think again and imagine if it happened to them how they would feel !Well I got that off my chest Imho.
gryphon Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 The Landsraad makes desissions as a group and stricktly for that group. As such it has no power or influance over other members here. As such we have no need nor desire to share any viewpoints we have about it as you have asked to proof our claim to you.If you however think we have made an error in that judgment and it has all been based upon a rumor, please feel free to elaborate which part of our information is bull shit ?Although I might ad that non of The Landsraad members have brought their opinion or any of those indications puplic. The only one who has done that sofar has been Ex. So any opinion you have about it is based upon Ex's claims in this topic.And again, us sharing any information about it would compromise the trust we placed in eachother to discuss these things privately.[ Ex also knew this while he was still in The Landsraad and as a member accepted that ]This has been an internal affair and has been extensively discussed among ourselfs. So unless any one can give us an indication on why our conclusion has been wrong or other facts that would debunk that conclusion our desission is finall and non-negotiable with members from outside that group. But I think you all must agree, that as a group we have to stand as one on the desissions we make as that group.That said, personall I think you are taking The Landsraad way to serious.. . ..
Gobalopper Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 It doesn't matter if there was proof or not. If 50% + 1 wanted Ex removed from the Landsraad then he is removed. Ex could have done nothing wrong for all I care but if there is a majority that doesn't want him there then he gets removed. Thats just how things work.
Navaros Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 obviously there *IS NO PROOF* otherwise the Landsraad would have made it public by nowthe reason they do not make it public, is because there is nothing for them to make public. proof does not exist because Ex is innocent this time around.ExAtreides clearly has no problem with any "proof" being made public, so why then does the *Landsraad* have a problem making their proof public? i'll tell you. because they don't want to be held up to the scrutiny that would ensue once it is made public that they have no legit proof. so instead, they skirt the issue entirely and hope to sweep it under the rug before anyone notices.to me, the Landsraad is already under scutiny for such an unjust and immoral act. as Gob says, they can do whatever they want, however, that still does not mean they should not be held morally accountable for their actions even if they are entitled to take themApollyon's comments were spot-on.right now the Landsraad is reminding me of Bill Clinton; "I did *NOT* have sexual relations with that woman!"sorry that you got screwed-over for no legit reason, Ex. but as Gob says, there's nothing that can be done about it :(
Dunenewt Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 What I don't see is why the Landsraad would do this as they have no reason to do they?
Acriku Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 We do nEwT, but it is not going to be discussed here. Ex wrongfully brought this to the public, trying to gain support from the people who are ignorant as to wha happened, and it must stop now.
Nyarlathotep Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 I think Gryphon put it very well.I don't see why you all jump on the Landsraad, while none of us has given you any details as to how/when/why/who/what. You accuse us of not being fair, but neither are you.
ken124578 Posted August 28, 2003 Author Posted August 28, 2003 obviously there *IS NO PROOF* otherwise the Landsraad would have made it public by nowthe reason they do not make it public, is because there is nothing for them to make public. proof does not exist because Ex is innocent this time around.ExAtreides clearly has no problem with any "proof" being made public, so why then does the *Landsraad* have a problem making their proof public? i'll tell you. because they don't want to be held up to the scrutiny that would ensue once it is made public that they have no legit proof. so instead, they skirt the issue entirely and hope to sweep it under the rug before anyone notices.to me, the Landsraad is already under scutiny for such an unjust and immoral act. as Gob says, they can do whatever they want, however, that still does not mean they should not be held morally accountable for their actions even if they are entitled to take themApollyon's comments were spot-on.right now the Landsraad is reminding me of Bill Clinton; "I did *NOT* have sexual relations with that woman!"sorry that you got screwed-over for no legit reason, Ex. but as Gob says, there's nothing that can be done about it :(Even if he was innocent, if they had made that poll right from the moment he joined the landsraad and 50% +1 voted for his removal he would be kicked out of the landsraad.
gryphon Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 obviously there *IS NO PROOF* otherwise the Landsraad would have made it public by nowthe reason they do not make it public, is because there is nothing for them to make public. proof does not exist because Ex is innocent this time around.Sorry to point it out for you one more time Navaros, the reason why we havn't made anything public or have tried to convince you or other general members here is because we do not have to justify our actions for you. As stated in the topic TMA made about it, The Landsraad has been the victim of some backstabing activeties ourself. And revoking Ex's status has been just one of the actions we have taken. we regret all victims in this, so that is including Ex an TMA.We have communicated this issue with TMA and Ex before and are still doing so at this point. Although they are not the only ones we have talked with about this. And as you could see in the other topic, when that book get's opend in a public way like that. All hell breaks loose. The Landsraad doesn't like Ex's status has been revoked, althoug as a single body thought it was one of the things nessesary to do.You tell people here whatever you like to tell them. Althoug that will be you opinion and yours alone. Non of The Landraad will tell you anything you could deduce it of, comming from another member you will just be relaying their story and still be telling your own. If they have problems with anything they can contact us or that persone directly, and don't need you to do so. We are still open to discuss this among and with the persones involved, don't be scared we have closed the door on that. Although as this isn't only a private matter fur us, it probably also is for the other people involved. And as susch I think all parties involved have no need nor desire to justified that towards you.So sorry to tell you at this point, that the chain of command in which you have placed yourself above The Landsraad ends right here, and right now. We won't justify any action to you. Nor will we hand over any information about anything, Landraad or non-Landsraad members both allike. We don't talk about it to and with people who have not been involved in it.
Navaros Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 the Landsraad continue to *IGNORE* the fact that ExAtreides, the victim here - *WANTS* all information relating to this matter to be made publicthat is why he started this thread (although his initial post has mysteriously disappeared to make it look like ken started this thread even tho Ex did). ExAtreides is asking the Landsraad to prove publically what they have muttered behind closed doors.*i* am not the one asking for this. the victim is. so stop trying to hide under the Facade that "it's only the Landsraad's business". ExAtreides thinks it is *EVERYONE'S* business, and his is the only opinion that counts in this situation since he is the victim.
Caid Ivik Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 You are making it rather messy. How BBC said, "sexing it up". Landsraad itself is an honor, which should be for all long-time members, which gave something to this site. ExAtreides gave much to it, i.e.recently it was HIS board, which was as a replace for FED2k, while Gob was changing server. That's a noble deed, show of responsibility. He deserves award, not a punishment.
Nyarlathotep Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 (although his initial post has mysteriously disappeared to make it look like ken started this thread even tho Ex didBefore you accuse us of deleting posts, check out the coming and leaving thread...
gryphon Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 it seems like you are making the post Navaros.Ex might want to have it in publick, although that would mean getting a lot of information out about a lot of people who have acted stupidly [ to say it quit frankly ]. We are not helping The Landsraad, Ex nor any one else with that.In this, we sort of are all victims.
Caid Ivik Posted August 28, 2003 Posted August 28, 2003 We should know what is going about. It may hit once any of us - including yourself!Is the problem this?http://bittersweetblue.net/moya/taste.jpg
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