Gobalopper Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 Vote here. There will be multiple rounds if one option doesn't get 50% or more. First round voting closes Thursday at midnight Eastern (GMT -5).
DukeLeto Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 Three minute rule was layed out by WW. It shouldn't even be up for debate, IMO.
Timenn Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 Why? Just because he didn't agree with what it was?And as you can see, more people agree with him
Ice_Cube Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 The whole point of a FED2K ladder is that it is set up to the majority opinion of Fed2k. There is no right or wrong about what the rules are, only the majority wishes of the community. Simple as that.
lowzeewee Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 Why allowed to quit under 3 minutes to escape an enemy's rush?
Navaros Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 Three minute rule was layed out by WW. It shouldn't even be up for debate, IMO.exactly! this is truly an Atrocity. a Crime against Humanity. Gob pandering to people who are incompetent at playing Emperor and thinking that since they happen to make up the majority of those left here and on WOL, that that somehow makes it "ok" to bastardize Westwood's Official Rules simply because they want to since they are not capable of playing Emperor well enough to be able to *HANDLE* the Official Westwood Rules.even the Poll question itself is stacked!!! the question *SHOULD* be: should Fed2K be allowed to change Westwood's Official Ladder Rules: yes or no?changing Westwood's Official Rules is morally wrong and i am literally shocked that Gob would take such a shady position.
lowzeewee Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 LOL.Come join my forum and post,I need a funny and interesting debater in there... http://kanupenalty.proboards13.comThere is no use in this,no matter what,you-know-who will always protest and refuse to show that he lost. >:(
Ice_Cube Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 Three minute rule was layed out by WW. It shouldn't even be up for debate, IMO.even the Poll question itself is stacked. the question *SHOULD* be: should Fed2K be allowed to change Westwood's Official Ladder Rules: yes or no?changing Westwood's Official Rules is morally wrong and i am literally shocked that Gob would take such a shady position. LOL! This just shows how dumb you are nav, surely if people are voting for 1 minute then that counts as the mwanting to change WW rules. Now navvy, think it over.......got it? Good. As for Gob taking a shady position? Errrrr no. HE is mearly asking the Fed2K community what they think so he is actually taking the position of someone intelligent, unlike you nav. I would welcome a MOD to delete all the posts in this thread (apart from the original) as they are cluttering it up.
VigilVirus Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 Hmm, I might be wrong, but shouldn't the rules be up to the players? That just kind of make sense to me and that's why I think this vote is quite effective.
lowzeewee Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 Quitting within any time limit without connection/technical problem=Losing ;)
ken124578 Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 Why? Just because he didn't agree with what it was?And as you can see, more people agree with himNo, because it was exploited.
Gobalopper Posted June 18, 2003 Author Posted June 18, 2003 exactly! this is truly an Atrocity. a Crime against Humanity.I'll be sure to let the criminal court at the Hague know your feelings, I'm sure they will be charging me shortly.
Navaros Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 Why? Just because he didn't agree with what it was?And as you can see, more people agree with himNo, because it was exploited.it was not exploited. exploitation is *IMPOSSIBLE* since quitting under 3 for *ANY* reason is *ALWAYS* legit and Westwood *NEVER* said otherwise. Westwood said you can quit under 3 minutes and that's always fine. If they had a problem with it being used for any purpose, they would never have put the rule in the game. Gob, rather than you go on Trial, i'd prefer if you'd just be man enough to recognize that what you're doing here is immoral, and correct your own behaviour.
ken124578 Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 it was not exploited. exploitation is *IMPOSSIBLE* since quitting under 3 for *ANY* reason is *ALWAYS* legit and Westwood *NEVER* said otherwise.According to their rules it is ok to quit under 3 if the game is laggy.Westwood said you can quit under 3 minutes and that's always fine. If they had a problem with it being used for any purpose, they would never have put it the rule in the game.Their intentions were good but nothing can be perfect, it was and stil is exploited.Btw. give me a quote from a ww guy saying that quitting under 3 is good no matter what had happened.
Navaros Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 ken it was not exploited because Westwood wanted Emperor players to have the FREEDOM to be flexible with their BO's and that's the main reason they put in the Under 3 Rule. they knew it would be used for quitting whenever someone felt like quitting, and guess what: Westwood is *HAPPY* about that!you ken, have no basis to say it was "exploited" yet you throw around that term like *YOU* are a designer of Emperor who made the decision to put the Rule in. why don't YOU KEN, show *us* where Westwood ever said it was *possible* to exploit under 3? to do this you must state: 1. which Westwood employee said it2. what were his exact (or near-exact) words3. when did he say it4. where did he say it5. did *YOU* see it personally, or are you just posting hearsayuntil you can do all of this, then you have no basis to say it's possible to exploit the Under 3 Rule.
Harkdawg Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 looks like it gonna be a min :) hahaha @ NAVbusted by the balls, lolz
SurlyPIG Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 it was not exploited. exploitation is *IMPOSSIBLE* since quitting under 3 for *ANY* reason is *ALWAYS* legit and Westwood *NEVER* said otherwise. Westwood said you can quit under 3 minutes and that's always fine. If they had a problem with it being used for any purpose, they would never have put the rule in the game.Yes, yes, yes they DID! Devinoch said the feature was implimented so players could back out of a slow/laggy/poorly connected game. Delphi said the exact same thing in RA2. I emailed the WW contests people in the early weeks of emperor and got the same response.Three minutes is default on their ladder servers. Know why? It's from the days of the original CnC, when the games were in REAL time, and it was virtually impossible to scrape together even the most pathetic of forces within 5 real time minutes let alone 3. 3 minutes in emperor is between 4 and 6 minutes real time depending on how laggy the game is.Given all of this, to which you were grossly mistaken, the only question is, when is the point at which one has had pleanty of time to review game speed, but precedes the point where he may back out of the game because he is losing?Saying that you can only attack after three minutes is like saying that in the first three minutes of a soccer game, nobody can score. They can pass the ball, run plays, kick to their heart's content but can't score. What's the point of that?I hate the whiney idea that some people have about 'rushing'. I mean what is rushing anyway? Attacking udner 3? 5? 10? 30 minutes of play? Give me a break. There are no rushers. Only players who attack when they have the advantage. Players who don't attack when they have the advantage are poor players.
god2ghz Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 gob i agree with ur poll the rules of this latter should be up to the majority and if some people do not think so they should not use the ladder Olaf and YOU so graciously set up for us
darkd3th Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 this for qm? if its for anything else i say 30 secs because i can rush under 1 min if i need to
anklbter8 Posted June 18, 2003 Posted June 18, 2003 Thought that this was a good explaination of the 3 min rule.http://kbserver.homeip.net/macmark/pages/ladder/rules.htmlAlso on this page There is talking of the running loser problem.http://kbserver.homeip.net/macmark/pages/news/2000/news_october_2000.html#Latest%20Westwood%20rules
anklbter8 Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 This is a list of blacklisted players. Why look at this? Well if you look through the list it includes people who not only used a cheat but also the 3 min rule. Look for early abort, early resign, abuses 3 min rule and such. From what I could tell Westwood helped create this list from a person Buttercup (real name Mary).http://kbserver.homeip.net/macmark/pages/players/reports/blacklist.html
zilents Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 Thought that this was a good explaination of the 3 min rule.http://kbserver.homeip.net/macmark/pages/ladder/rules.htmlAlso on this page There is talking of the running loser problem.http://kbserver.homeip.net/macmark/pages/news/2000/news_october_2000.html#Latest%20Westwood%20rulesI'm touched by those article.. good one anklbter8!!! too bad I vote for 1.5 min.. If only I read those at the very beginning...
zamboe Posted June 19, 2003 Posted June 19, 2003 This are fed2k ladder rules, not WOL ladder rules.Navaros uses the 3 minute rule for a completly different purpouse for what it was designed. 1 minute was my vote.
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