The Matrix

Dante · June 15, 2003

You can just talk about it here if you wish. But I'm in a hurry so I'll be brief.

I'm wrting an essay about it for philosophy class and I desperately need some overtones or clues for the characters Mouse, Switch and Apoc. E.g. Neo = Jesus. Anderson = Son of man. Cypher = Judas, etc.

Those three characters only please, help!

Dude_Doc · June 15, 2003

Check: www.matrixreloaded.com , maybe you'll find something there...

exatreide · June 15, 2003

i have a question about it, The matrix is about the early 21st century right? So what happens..i mean does the program run on to the machine revolution and humanity gettings its butt whooped, or does it have a reset year?

Vanguard3000 · June 15, 2003

I thought Mouse represented hedonism/temptation. He tried to get Neo to "meet" the Woman in Red. I read that somewhere.

Dude_Doc · June 15, 2003

i have a question about it, The matrix is about the early 21st century right? So what happens..i mean does the program run on to the machine revolution and humanity gettings its butt whooped, or does it have a reset year?

Actually, SPOILER:

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Actually, the Matrix, or the first Matrix, that is, happens around 2199. But, since (if you have seen Reloaded), there has been 5 others "Ones", and Zion and all people in it have also been destroyed, I'd say the present Matrix (where Keanu Reeves is Neo :D ) happens around 2700 or 2800. As Morpheus said, they don't really know what year it is.

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gryphon · June 15, 2003

If you're doing it for a philosophy class, they only real thing you can get is Descartes "evil genius". And that other guy who's name I keep forgetting, the US philosopher chaning that eveil scientist into a computer. . .the script for the Matrix couldn't have been that expencive to write. . just copy past and change the names. .

If it's for philosophy it's kind of weird compairing one believe [ Christianety ] to another theory [ Descartes Evil genius ]trying to find connections between both that arn't ment to be there [ sorry, in my opinion they shouldn't be ].

No clue about that Ex, at this point. Although If your brains can be tricked into believing the story inside the Matrix sofar. . why not log into the Windows console of The Matrix and use the go back function. . . .you never know you have been "in the future" as they would be able to controle you thoughts upto that level. If that's wrong and the human brain just needs input which is provided by the machines, and humans are just living it and recording, . . . [ why even make a Matrix for the whole of humanity, souldn't it be easier to make a single one for every human ? ] I have no clue at this time. . ..

nor is this the only matrix ;)

Mahdi · June 16, 2003

Tehre is a lot mroe than just Descarte in there. I suggest you rent the matrix revisited, it spends a great deal of time talking about the philosophy in the movie.

Btw, Neo's more a Mosses than a Jesus, at least thats how I see it....

ordos45 · June 16, 2003

http://www.killingthebuddha.com/critical_devotion/gnosis.htm

http://www.killingthebuddha.com/critical_devotion/baaad.htm

http://www.beliefnet.com/frameset.asp?pageLoc=/story/126/story_12678_1.html&boardID=58466

First link is Gnosticism influences on The Matrix. The Second is comparing and contrasting Neo to Christ. Hope this helps, I often find Killing the Buddha online zine informative. Third link is titled "If Buddhism had a Messiah".

ken124578 · June 16, 2003

Actually, SPOILER:
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Spoiler:

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Actually, i think there are 2 matrix's, they had to reprogram the second one 5 times so that everything would be ok, even if they had to destroy zion again.

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Did anyone notice that the first matrix version seems suspiciously like heaven? I mean... the first matrix (1) before it had to be reprogrammed again everything was perfect and life was full of pleasures... sounds like heaven to me. (according to the bible)

Dante · June 16, 2003

I thought Mouse represented hedonism/temptation. He tried to get Neo to "meet" the Woman in Red. I read that somewhere.

That's the kind of thing I'm looking for! Thanks a lot Vanguard. :)

Keep 'em coming!

lowzeewee · June 16, 2003

*Ring,ring*

Caller:Hello,Mr Anderson?

Receiver:Who are you?

Caller:Oops wrong number... :O

Dude_Doc · June 16, 2003

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"Actually, i think there are 2 matrix's, they had to reprogram the second one 5 times so that everything would be ok, even if they had to destroy zion again."

No. It was the Matrix they reloaded. You see, Neo functions both as the bug and the patch, for the Matrix. There is a theory that everything is a program (both Zion world and "real world"). The machines need to know exactly how a human work. The 1% of people that lived in Zion was the people who didn't "fit" in the Matrix (they obviously just couldn't live in the Matrix, because they could "feel" that the Matrix is false. That's why Zion was build, so that the people would think that they lived in the real cruel world).[/hide]

Did anyone notice that the first matrix version seems suspiciously like heaven? I mean... the first matrix (1) before it had to be reprogrammed again everything was perfect and life was full of pleasures... sounds like heaven to me. (according to the bible)

Heaven to us is to have everything, to do everything, to have unlimited time, and that there is no "do this, do that". Who knows, maybe Heaven is much more? Or something we never could've ever dream of?

Dante · June 16, 2003

C'mon, please? This essay needs to be written and handed in by Friday! :O

Hawat · June 16, 2003

Matrix has various philosophical themes.

Im not quite sure which one you wan't to work on...

Is it the more biblical/christian approach ?

Dunenewt · June 16, 2003

Its more Jewish so I would say Morphius = Moses, Neo = Jewish Messiah

Navaros · June 16, 2003

Neo is not supposed to be a Moses or Jesus allegory. Neo is a Superman allegory. There's nothing more to it than that.

Hawat · June 16, 2003

C'mon Navaros, don't be that narrow-minded...

There are some parallels to messiah christ. Neo is never meant to be an allegory, there are only some allusions and parallelities.

And one will never succeed to put "The Matrix" in a whole fitting picture for one philosophical approach. So you can't just put the equation Neo=Christ...

But if anyone is interested in the parallels:

http://awesomehouse.com/matrix/parallels.html

SpiceGuid · June 16, 2003

Neo is not supposed to be a Moses or Jesus allegory. Neo is a Superman allegory. There's nothing more to it than that.

He is both Jesus (because of resurrection and ascension) and a super-beeing (because NEO = ONE)

Vanguard3000 · June 17, 2003

Neo means "new" (it's a prefix actually. The standalone word is novo, is it not? Nema, I'm looking at you for this.). Although it is of course an anagram for "one".

quoudam72 · June 17, 2003

Neo could be Jesus but the certainty comes from the personal conviction of the individual. Although I disagree he is not Jesus he is only a "loose" charaterization of Jesus.

Agent Smith could be the demon "Legion"(IMO). All his actions now point to his being a demon mostly his "possesion" of other programs. Agent Smith is still a powerful character within the story more than is being told he is the "black crow" to Neo's "white crow".

Switch somehow repented(?) or something because she is the only one wearing white within the matrix. She wore black then white. Switch could be ying and yang still not sure about her.

Mouse is temptation (or lost soul or seeding) remember because of his lust for the "women in red" he lost focus which lead to his death.

Apoc is short for Apocalypse. All that can be said of Apoc is he is a silent male archtype. Apoc doesn't talk much during the movie I wonder what he would have told Trinity before Cypher pull his digital link.

lowzeewee · June 18, 2003

There is a philosphy link in www.whatisthematrix.com

nemafakei · June 18, 2003

Neo: neoV (neos) - 'new' [ Gr ]

"Neo is a Superman allegory"

Then do a little more than watch the thing. I don't like much in the way of films, but at least this one had some thought behind it.

Dante · June 19, 2003

Well, thanks for trying guys. :)

I have to write the essay now so it's bye bye to freedom for a bit. Feel free to use this thread to talk about the movies if you want to. Shall I start you off?

Who thought that the twins in "Reloaded" we so cool? And more importantly, did they survive that explosion? :O

quoudam72 · June 19, 2003

They (the twins) represented "ghost" programs and fire does cleanse but we did not see them die. I am going to say no.

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