Navaros Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 I noticed that most of the Emperor logos look very crappy and unprofessional. Ie: Atreides, Hark, Fremen, Sards. Did Westwood make these?I also notice that some of the logos look very sleek and cool, ie: Guild.Were the cool looking ones taken from elsewhere?Please enlighten me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khan Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 Well the Guild logo, (the three circles right?), was in the Lynch film. Most of the other logos were made by westwood, but the imagery are taken from the book, i.e. the sardaukar Golden lion, the Atreides Hawk, the Harkonnen Ram, but Westwood did screw up the colour schemes for the Harks and the Atreides. As for the Ordos and the Fremen however, the Ordos aren't in the original books so I'm not to sure about them, it may be in the DE, you would have to ask Vanguard, and I have no idea what the Fremen symbol is supposed to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 Correction: Harkonnen was Griffin in book, not Ram. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 WW used house coats of arms from the DE for DII. They coloured them in, and used, for example, the House Wallach arms for the Ordos. That is the origin of the Hawk, Ram, Snake choice.The arms then evolved through D2000, then to Emp.The fremen symbol in Emp is a Katar, a punch-dagger, which, in this case, is transparent. Perhaps WW thought that was what a krys looked like?You can see a glimpse of a proto-Ixian logo in D2k - it's a black version of the present one, just visible behind Edric O. That's my theory, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 Right. I always wondered why they wouldnt just use the Ordos logo from DE, or called the new house House Wallach :- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 Calling it House Wallach would probably lead hardcore Dune fans to believe the Bene Gesserit were somehow involved. And they probably used the Wallach symbol because they needed an animal and, although this isn't true in heraldic terms, a snake usually represents they devious nature of House Ordos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechadragon Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 Do note that in Emperor, the Ordos logo was changed form the Wallach logo of a serpent coiled around a book into a serpent coiled around the Ordos homeworld.Right. I always wondered why they wouldnt just use the Ordos logo from DE, or called the new house House WallachThe Ordos were created by Westwood, therefore there were no Ordos in DE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted May 31, 2003 Share Posted May 31, 2003 The Ordos were in the DE. It showed their coat of arms, and how many votes it had in the Landsraad. All other information about them was done by WW, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechadragon Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 [me=MechaDragonX]goes and digs a copy out of an archive...[/me]You are right, hmm...Why didn't they use the real info... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navaros Posted June 1, 2003 Author Share Posted June 1, 2003 so did Westwood make the Logos or not?you guys have answered this in a very technical and jargon-oriented way and I really have no idea what the answer to my question is based on the words you've all used to answer it.is Westwood the one who drew the Logos? or were they drawn elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechadragon Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 Dune 2 and Dune 2000 use the House Wallach logo from DE.Emperor uses it's own design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navaros Posted June 1, 2003 Author Share Posted June 1, 2003 Dune 2 and Dune 2000 use the House Wallach logo from DE.Emperor uses it's own design.what is House Wallach? and they used that just for ONE logo, the Ordos...? where did they get the other 2 from, then?and when you say Emperor uses it's own design...... does that include ALL logos, ie: Guild and Tlieaxu, or just SOME logos........? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeLeto Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 Suffice it to say Westwood had a hand in the Emperor logos.Though they're pretty good, IMO. Nice 3D effects, instead of the crappy 2D things in WC3 and Generals. :- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 the crest for house harkonnen on dune 2 came from the harkonnen crest in the DE. the Ordos came from house wallach. See, that was the house that was in control of one of the largest bene gesserit chapterhouses. This is why the snake coils around a book. It states that the book is colored blue in the DE, and blue is translated to azure, or the azure book which is the sacred book of the bene gesserit, Wallach IX is the connection here I believe. The ordo's true crest is cross bones with a reef of ivy tangled on the top of the left bone. There are also connections with emperor as well. Such as the minautarus (too lazy to find the exact spelling.lol) tank. The name comes from a name stated in the DE, which is Duke Leto's grandfather. Also with gunseng, this name also comes from the DE, which is vladimir harkonnen's father. as you can see, westwood took a lot from the DE.lol there is more than just what I stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobalopper Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 OrdosHarkonnenAtreides Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireSnake Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 I noticed that most of the Emperor logos look very crappy and unprofessional. Ie: Atreides, Hark, Fremen, Sards. Did Westwood make these?I also notice that some of the logos look very sleek and cool, ie: Guild.Were the cool looking ones taken from elsewhere?Please enlighten me.Define "crappy and unprofessional", please. Thank You kindly in advance. - Matthew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timenn Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 Atreides logo: I believe it is created by Westwood themselves. If course they copied the fact that it has to be an eagle. Harkonnen logo: I should say they made this one themselves too, but this time it looks more like the one they copied it from. The first Harkonnen logo was presented in the Dune Encyclopedia, Gob posted a link to the picture. And Westwood colored this one red instead of blue.Later on, another logo was presented, a Blue Griffin, but that is of no matter.Ordos logo: Well this one is the same concept of the original, except that the everything is drawn differently. The original logo was first presented in the Dune Encyclopedia (Gob's link again) But this time they took a logo of another House instead of House Ordos (it was original of House Wallach (a House of no importance right now))Guild logo: This is an exact duplicate of the Guild logo of the David Lynch's movie Dune.Tleilaxu/Ix/Fremen logo: I believe Westwood made these ones themselves.Sardaukar logo: This is the Golden Lion, the symbol of House Corrino, which is defeated in the beginning of the game. But the Sardaukar have know the House Corrino (the original Emperor's House) logo. The logo was made by Westwood, but they were inspired by many others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mechadragon Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 Guild logo: This is an exact duplicate of the Guild logo of the David Lynch's movie Dune.http://www.dune2k.com/?page=viewℑ=/images/emperor/house/Guild_Big.jpgI don't think it had the energy flames in the Lynch version, but the general shape is identical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted June 1, 2003 Share Posted June 1, 2003 MechaDragonX is correct. The green electicity/flames weren't in the Lynch movie. Also, the circles and the line were not broken in the movie logo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Harkonnen Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 I think that the guild logo is older than the lynch movie. because on the back side of my copy of the Dune novel the Guild logo is printed. It is the exact same as the one in emperor, and I don't think they would have used a logo from a movie on the book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timenn Posted June 3, 2003 Share Posted June 3, 2003 Hmm, when was that book pressed? The movie is quite old. So they may have it from the movie.Had Frank Herbert never made logo's himself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Harkonnen Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 I acctually don't know how old it is. It is probably newer than the movie.(it is in norwegian) But I can't see why they should use something from the movie in the book. I think Herbert made that insignia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timenn Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Check on of the first pages. It should be there somewhere.And if it is older, then it is very likely that it has been copied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Leaf Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 I acctually don't know how old it is. It is probably newer than the movie.(it is in norwegian) But I can't see why they should use something from the movie in the book. I think Herbert made that insigniaLOTR... ::) (Lord of the Rings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Procyon Posted June 8, 2003 Share Posted June 8, 2003 Lord of the Rings??If you have read/seen Harry Potter, you will notice that some symbols are very similar to the WW`s dune.For example the "slitherin" and the Ordos symbol (a snake with green), and Atreides with an another HP thing that I not remember..Coincidence...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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