Emperor Harkonnen Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 If I was a muslim, I'd place Dune next to the Koran in my bookshelf :)that is how much I appreciate the book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowzeewee Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 if i were an arab militant,i would hold the qu'ran in one hand TOGETHER with Dune and my rifle on the other ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHJ BV Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 I would place only Dune on my bookshelf, who needs the koran? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 Koran is much smaller, it should be lost in the shadow of Dune ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowzeewee Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 i cut my bible and koran into respective halves each and glue them together,getting qu-bles or bi-rans :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 There is no god but Shai-Hulud, and Muad'Dib is his messenger.Hmm. How to translate Dune into Arabic... must learn Arabic first... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tio_Holtzmann Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 Actually, yeah, what languages has Dune been translated into? I have English and the French version of the second half. Gonna read it before my end of school french exam (shudder).I would have thought Arabic would have a translation already - if not, Frank would have been the man to help you. Don't know if you heard this already, but before he wrote Dune, he really wanted to appreciate desertic culture so he learned Arabic. The language traces are all through the original book, like the holy war is the jihad.One interesting thing I noticed the other day while reading the paper - Saddam's death soldiers are called Fedayeen. Paul's death soldiers are called Fedaykin. Hmmm.... strange thoughts of Saddam being the Mahdi rushing in my head ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exatreide Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 Hehe, Not Saddam but their was a Mahdi.Forget the exact passege from the book but its something like this."Everything is in the process of creation and destruction."Wrote the mistic bedriddin. "There is no here or here after everything in a single moment." He abbandoned a prosphers career in orthadox islam to plunge into the esoteric tumett of the boarder land, whare he became a great guru, championing the wild freedom of the frontire society and convincing many people, christians among them, that he was the mahdi, the coming of the end of the world.[hide]So that Ottomans who had grown imperial, hanged him from a tree in the Serres in 1416 ;)[/hide]Cool huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 There was a 2nd self-proclaimed Mahdi in the late 19th century, he fought to free the sudaten lands from British control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowzeewee Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 1881:Muhammad Ahmad declared himself Mahdi in northern Sudan 1885:Death of Mahdi Sudani five months after the occupation of Khartum 1899:Fall of Mahdi State occupied by the British and the Egyptians jointly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Harkonnen Posted March 21, 2003 Author Share Posted March 21, 2003 those of you who are muslims here, do you really keep the koran on the top of the bookshelf above all other books? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 There was a 2nd self-proclaimed Mahdi in the late 19th century, he fought to free the sudaten lands from British control. ;D ;D ;DSudeten Land is where Germany took over before WW2You mean Sudan ::)Iblis is the person who becomes the devil acoording to Muslim belief and Shaitan is the devil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digital Guerrilla Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 I do not know if the Qur'an needs a commerical publication as a compainion. Dune is for YOU guys who would have not thought to ever read the Qur'an outside of seeing a sci-fic movie which borrows from a culture as rich as the Arabic. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidu Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 Dune has also been transalted into Romanian.Ans I'm sure it's been translated also into German. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel_Worf Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Dune is my religion. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Iblis is the person who becomes the devil acoording to Muslim belief and Shaitan is the devilIblis is the name of the highest devil - shaitan. Same as Lucifer is the name of satan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 That is very correct Iblis (or Eblis) also known as Azazel who in Islamic demonology is the counterpart to the devil or Satan. The word devil is a corruption of the Greek translation diabolos, which is a translation of the Hebrew Satan. The name Satan comes from Satanas, the Greek form of the Aramic satana. Iblis is used in the Qur'an as in relation to God (Allah) while shatain is used in relation with humans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Azazel and Iblis are different ones. Azazel is some kind of other demon, same as Lilith or Belial were (or are...). He is known by jewish goat-sacrifices to replenish his presence, also was fantasified as a leader of seirim, the goatmen. According to some apocryphes, he could be one of the nephilim, humanised angels, which weren't fallen, but became men because of their will (this thing is also just a fantasticism). The highest demon, de facto creator of demonism, is Iblis/Lucifer, fallen angel, who refused to accept humanity as superior (as written in Quran). He became a satan, the archdevil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Well they are slighty different in Jewish demonology and Islamic demonology. In Islamic demonology, he (Azazel) is a Djinn/Jinn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Is a Djinn like a wizard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Djinn, also called Jinn, and Genies, are a magical race of beings from Islamic and pre-Islamic mythology, said to be half human and half demon. Djinni can be good or evil. They tend to be mischevious and like to punish humans who dare to cross them, even without intent. Djinn are beings of air and fire, and can shapeshift to assume the shapes of animals or humans. They may also exist in air, flame, beneath the earth, and often secret themselves in inanimate objects such as rocks, trees, or Alladin's legendary lamp. Djinni are said to have the power to grant wishes, however it is wise to be cautious, as they see greed as a sin, and too many wishes (more than three in legend) can undo the ones before. Dunenewt in sense they might be considered to be "wizards" of some kind but I have not heard of them referred to in so many words as "wizards". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Quondam: The plural of Genie is Genii, I believe. And the word is used to describe almost any type of spirit, not just from Islamic mythology. Slavonic Leshies, for example, are genii. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Quondam: The plural of Genie is Genii, I believe. And the word is used to describe almost any type of spirit, not just from Islamic mythology. Slavonic Leshies, for example, are genii. ??? ??? ???Vanguard3000 we are talking about the Qur'an (reason I was speaking about Islamic mythology) there would be no need for me to talk about Salvonic demons/sprits as it might cause some confusion. I usually stay on to topic unless I am being playful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 I realize you're not talking about other mythologies, but you made it sound as though the term "genie" applies only to Islamic mythology. I didn't mean to take things off topic; I was just clarifying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 Vanguard, what is "leshii"? How is written it in original?Genies were half-energy half-matter beings ("made of fire"). They perished and the the strongest remained (known as "ifreeti"), but were corrupted by shaitan. There is a possibility genies are same thing as jewish nephilim, there are many mutual signs. Don't forget that Arabs descended from judaism as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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