Vanguard3000 Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 Leshies are Slavonic forest genii (similar to the Greek Satyr/Roman Faun). Each Leshy was the "king" of his own forest. They were often depicted as old men with big white beards. They could change their size, sometimes being as tall as the tallest tree in his forest, while sometimes being small enough to hide under a single leaf. They would sometimes confuse or scare hunters and others travelling through their domain, causing them to get lost. This is similar to the Greek satyr/god Pan (Faunus in Roman mythology), from where we get the word "panic".The Slavonic people, like the Greeks and Romans, had genii/spirits for a lot of different things. The only other ones I know off the top of my head are Poleviks, which are field genii, and would sometimes attack farmers."Leshy" can also be spelled "Ljeschi", which is probably more accurate. It is derived from the word "ljes" ("forest"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 Ah, "lesny ded" you mean. But that's far from genies. Genies were fire-beings, satyrs and such were flesh and blood. It's closer to vila (sprite or nymph), what were forest spirits luring and killing men in forest (slavonic vila uses dance). But we have some mutual spirits, i.e. poludnica, female demon stealing children, nearly same thing as jewish lilith, just she works in day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 Actually the term "genie" is english. The correct word would be jinni and the plural being jinn. ;) There are several different ways to refer to the jinn.1. Jinn that live among mankind, they are called aamar whose plural is amaar2. Jinn that antagonize the young, they are called arwaah3. Jinn that are evil and antagonize humans they are called shaitan for the singular (shayateen being the plural)4. Jinn that cause even more harm and become strong, they are called afreetThere are many verses in the Qur'an about the jinni below are a few of the verses. Hadith - Sahih Muslim 6757, Narrated Abdullah ibn Mas'ud, similar narration 6759 by 'Aisha, r.a. Allah's Apostle said: There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Apostle with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.The Noble Qur'an - Al-An'aam 6:112 And so We have appointed for every Prophet enemies - Shay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 We use just different transcription. Genie or jinn, doesn't matter. Somewhere in Quran I've found a differentiation between people from flesh (humans) and fire (jinni). However, I don't have the book now, so I don't know where. But they are not same as angels and shaitan is an angel, I think. I.e. Iblis was an archangel with 12 wings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 In Islamic theology, Iblis (also known as al-Shaytan) is described as an *angel, a jinn , or an *angel who was the leader of the jinni. The name of Shaytaan was initially Azazeel and he was a great Aabid (worshipper) of Allah Ta'ala. However, due to pride and arrogance, he rejected the order of Allah Ta'ala to prostrate to Adam and was thus to become the accursed Iblees/Shaytaan. *this information is contrdictory because "Lucifer" is a Latin word, which means 'Light bearing'. It is primarily in the Christian literature that "Lucifer" came to be regarded as the name of the Satan, before his fall, and was later used to refer to the Satan, by John Milton in his "Paradise Lost".In view of the above explanation, I really don't think that "Lucifer" could be termed as a translation of "Iblis". The concept of "Lucifer", based on the Christian theology, is that of a fallen angel. The Qur'an does not support this view. The Qur'an, on the contrary, has introduced Satan as a jinn, who refused to submit to the directive of God, and, thus, became "Iblis" - 'the one who refused'.The Noble Qur'an has clearly stated that Iblees (Iblis/satan) was not an angel but was a jinn. The Qur'an says: "... but Iblees did it not - he was a jinn - thus he disobeyed his Lord." (Al-Kahaf 18: 50) In view of this statement of the Noble Qur'an , it is obvious that Iblees was a jinn and not an angel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 Quondam: "Genie" is based on the word Jinni. By the way, Jinni is singular; Jinn is plural.Caid: A genie doesn't necessarily have to be a fire spirit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 Yes I also pointed out that jinni is known by the Anglicized form genie. Thank-you Vanguard3000 for pointing out my typo on the plural and singular forms of the word jinn it has been corrected in the previous post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted March 28, 2003 Share Posted March 28, 2003 Caid: A genie doesn't necessarily have to be a fire spirit.I refer to Quran. But I have to find it again to argue more precissiosly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted March 28, 2003 Share Posted March 28, 2003 You may be right about Moslem Djinn, but my Mythology books, etc, use the term to describe many lower divinities. I realize you're talking about the Qu'ran for the most part, but I was specifying because we ter talking about Leshies earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted April 4, 2003 Share Posted April 4, 2003 I looked on the "leshie", it seems to be a russian name for our "lesny ded", what was a creature with characteristics like good satyrs, just they looked like smaller men, without animal parts. I can name it forest dwarf. But one of the most interesting slavonic demon is "zmok". It is like a black chicken, which brings luck to anyone who carried chicken egg under his arm for a week. Weird, mostly because it isn't to pop from that egg, but it comes trough chimney like a fireball. Some kind of ifreet ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidu Posted April 4, 2003 Share Posted April 4, 2003 I have a serious question: how exactly do you call that book?Coran, koran, quran, qu'ran... I call it Coran, but what's its exact name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 Because Arabs use syllabic alphabet, it is impossible to rewrite it fully. It's phonetical translation of something which sounds like "koran", so you can write it as you wish. English write "Quran", Slovaks "Kor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davidu Posted April 5, 2003 Share Posted April 5, 2003 Yeah, I understand, but it's pretty weird to see different names from post to post... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chani Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 i know you were (hopefully) talking in jest there, but that's not a very respectful thing to say!!(i mean.. i hear you! i value dune above all other books too.. hehe.. but if there are any muslims on this board i dont know how they will feel about that comment) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Harkonnen Posted April 7, 2003 Author Share Posted April 7, 2003 if that post was directed towards me, I don't think the muslims care that much, cos the muslims I know don't really think it matters so much with having the koran on the top of the book shelf ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chani Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 really? sorry i didnt mean to be rude.it's just i'm a religious studies student and i get these things hammered into my head all the time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 Also, books on top are usually those hardly reachable, so they are less read... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Harkonnen Posted April 7, 2003 Author Share Posted April 7, 2003 lol you have got a good point there Caid :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted April 7, 2003 Share Posted April 7, 2003 Yes I guess that makes sense in an abundance of water only the fool is thristy. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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