Terenas77 Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 How can a Deva get near them if there are Mongooses around( or just an air drone?)I still continue to say that a very balanced Atreides force is unbeatable, due to the deadly combination:Range+Firepower. Perhaps only the even more overpowered Fedakins can scratch such force. Sards gets annhilated by snipers and mino's crossfire.Plus they can repair their veihcles, and even send their veterans to the barracks. TOO many advantages I say. And Im really sorry, because I love Emperor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warskum Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 In that case use lots of inkivines with some cover from saws and inf.U ll be suprised how powerfull inkivines are after u real to use them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terenas77 Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 In that case use lots of inkivines with some cover from saws and inf.U ll be suprised how powerfull inkivines are after u real to use them.You are right about it, Atreides cannot match the Inkvine range+speed, but to get a decent damage output you mast MASS them. And I dont want to mass invines in every game aganist atreides.Thats ridicolous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warskum Posted December 10, 2003 Share Posted December 10, 2003 Atr masses mino, I mass inkivines.If u really dont want to mass then u better learn how to rush effective and rush atr, dont let him mass, if u keep up the pressure its hard for a atr to grow strong, also try to get his spice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terenas77 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Well, at least I found the Hark's rush deadlier that atreides' one. God bless Buzzsaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warskum Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Bravo, thats not much, (my little 6 years ol bro knew it 2 :P)but its better then notin.Keep playing till u learn how to use the units effective. Its alll about how U use the units, cuz if u use ur units well u can take out 5 saws with 5 bikes, while saws are stronger then bikes, u just have to use them the right way, this needs practise.So keep practesing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Mitten Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Well, at least I found the Hark's rush deadlier that atreides' one. God bless Buzzsaws.Apart from drones Atr don't really have a rush.IMHOBut once into a game Atr are deadly ! heh heh ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terenas77 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 cuz if u use ur units well u can take out 5 saws with 5 bikes, while saws are stronger then bikes, u just have to use them the right way, this needs practise.So keep practesingMy 12 yrs old sister knows it too ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warskum Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Then i think she is smarter then u and probably better at emp then u :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terenas77 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Yes, Im daily training her to play on WOL when we get better connection.Today I teached her this: THe ADV carryall is your Deva's best friend, and the worst enemy of your opponent's harvesters ;D Im not joking, Im doing it for real!Its fun! And she have fun too :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyan - Fremen Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Well I dont mass Inkvines, but I can cause some unrest to a human player there with them. Normally in a Mino hoard there will be Mino's, Kindjals, and AirDrones, these are the 3 main units I see on Atr base defence.Now I get 3 Missle Tanks, 1 Inkvine, And about 2-3 Devastators. First I Inkvine their Kindjals and stress my opponent up because then he will either have to undeploy and move them or lose them. Then for the AirDrones, I use my Missles' long range for these and they are done for, the last thing to do is to drop Dev's right behind the mino wall, and pick 3 of them up in the air as soon as possible, then rush in my Missle Tanks too, since the Dev's will be soaking up all the damage. Normally it works :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Mitten Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 You obviously havn't played with someone who uses Sard Elites.lolBecause you wouldn't get near my Mino's like that, oh and my fremen feds would make mincemeat of your tanks ! ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warskum Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 U wont be able of killing my drones with missle tanks, cuz I always take care of them and i wonder what would u do if I attack that little army of urs with 10 bikes and 20 inf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terenas77 Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I'll add some Assault and Flametanks and say good bye to your frail bikes and inf ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyan - Fremen Posted December 13, 2003 Share Posted December 13, 2003 What I wanted to say on my other post is that every single unit in the game has a counter unit able to destroy it with relative ease. And people shouldnt stick to old ways and attacks if they do not work against a better defence, the best strategy is the one that best counters your opponent, that means its dynamic. Move with your opponent to destroy him, play with their minds, when he's occupied with your attacking forces, have a little Fedaykin force with Infiltrators that will *maybe* succeed in infiltrating his/her base and causing some more havoc, even if the surprise attack failed, it will also stress your opponent, making the victory that much easier to accomplish.I said "Missle Tanks, Dev's, and Inkvines" that easily just to show that everything has a counter, sure, you can always reply with "Sard elites will rip you out and my Feds will destry your tanks", and this arguement can go on and on to every single unit in the game, everything can be defeated, you can always focus the picture on a specific thing and have another person to zoom out of that thing and claim that he can destroy it with a counter, sure you can, I can also, but the picture was zoomed at 1 situation, thats what I said when I posted. If you want to take in all factors in the game you can always say that your opponent is using every unit he can train, and each and every post you make about countering the units put in the other person's former one, he can do the same thing about countering your counters ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindjal86 Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 ;D Lol.... what a stupid question guys... all houses are good ... offcourse u will handle one house better than the others... i recommend ordos and hark....(actually im good with both of em except atreides.. i sux with em) but atreides isnt bad... they are good... specially when they got their big army... Ordos are good rushers... but they are weak in armor, thats why u cant let an ordos army fight alone.. i mean u have to watch em all the time... hark are slow, their armor are more heavier and all their units can stay alive for a long time.... atreides cheap units arent very good if u put em to fight against the other houses but if u mix all atr units (e.g. mino,sandbikes,light infantry,subhouses etc etc) together and put em to fight they are almost invencible... atr advantage are the airdrones... they blow down all ur carryalls and u can say good bye to ur cash .. except if u got some aa troops and lots of harvs.... so guys practice alot ... doesnt matter if u lose or wathever u will see that in someday ull crush the one that defeated u ... 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNWOUNDS Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Well when i gauge what house is the best.....to me it is who is the most powerful in the late game.... as most competent players can stop a rush easily.... it now comes down to what house can win the 1 hour - 2 hour games.... and that is ATREIDES hands down.... atriedes rules the skies with drones that make the ordos EIS and hark gunships NULL and VOID... and mass minos are unstoppable with the proper support forces such as elites and feds... also the hark devastator may be more powerful than the mino......BUT the mino has all-purpose fire.. meaning it kills vehicles and infantry all the same... while the dev is gimped vs infantry.Also... i have noticed that if my partner dies early in a game.. i am sometimes able to kill off the other two people with atreides... while i am not able to do teh same with hark or ordos.and atriedes gun turrets are kick ass..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warskum Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraith126 Posted January 12, 2004 Share Posted January 12, 2004 atreides may own the skies but beleive me when i say harkonnen rents it from time to time ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNWOUNDS Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 To warskum:yes i know all houses are able to fight well in late game.... and i know that deviator can kill lots of minos....BUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atomic Mitten Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 I only play as house ATR, that's probably why I lose quite often in multiplayer games.Like you say though with everything of ATReides up, they are unbeatable !Also without Sard Elites Minos's are quite vunerable like you say, the secret is to have Sard Elites and fremen warriors and Feyds to back em up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNWOUNDS Posted January 13, 2004 Share Posted January 13, 2004 I only play as house ATR, that's probably why I lose quite often in multiplayer games.Like you say though with everything of ATReides up, they are unbeatable !Also without Sard Elites Minos's are quite vunerable like you say, the secret is to have Sard Elites and fremen warriors and Feyds to back em up.yes atomic.... atr is a difficult house to learn... definately should not be the house that a new person chooses.A new person should choose hark. This is because hark is so good at rushing and has tough armored units that are fast and have lots of firepower... and not much micro-management is need for hark... because the units are designed to charge forward and not much else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennq Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 yes atomic.... atr is a difficult house to learn... definately should not be the house that a new person chooses.A new person should choose hark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUNWOUNDS Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 hmmm i dont agree with thatgood at rushing? with what? ligth inf,trtoopers,buzz, assaults? easyly countered with inf and bikes, what u should make vs hark. They are fast? atr inf and bikes are faster... ok missile assault and ink are faster .and even if they are designed for charge forward u need the best micro to kill an atr, especially if atr has minos elites feds and kindjal. If an atreides player playes defensively, u need much micro imo.brenn....... remember sandy pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warskum Posted January 14, 2004 Share Posted January 14, 2004 To warskum:yes i know all houses are able to fight well in late game.... and i know that deviator can kill lots of minos....BUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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