Caid Ivik Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 I thought he commited suicide. At least that was revealed about him after 1989. Real name is Pavel Morozov, "Palko" or "Pavlik" are just familiar forms ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 Hmm, wouldn't surprise me at all if that were true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 In Slovakia it's legendary show of communistic perversion. Turning away from morale in the name of state and society. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneezer3 Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 Sure, God pulls this kinda crap all the time, doesn't he? Telling people to kill others close to them, and then stopping them right when they are about to do it.Abraham was going to kill his son Jacob as a sacrifice. But an angel stoped him. it was a test of faith. and God had promised him that he would have lots of Children. even though he was an old man.but God tells us clearly not to kill anyone. inless its self defence. It could not be from God <talking about today> if i was told to kill someone in some strange way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 argh. orwellian im tellin ya. geesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted January 12, 2003 Author Share Posted January 12, 2003 I find it amazing that a lot of people cannot understand what I posted in the very first post of this thread. I find it amazing that they are so stubborn as to not comply with the question, and answer, but rather they post why they shouldn't answer it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terror Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 ::) that was 4 pages back :)and i think everyone stated his opinion. Is it so wrong that we changed the subject a little? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 but I did answer. eventually :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted January 12, 2003 Author Share Posted January 12, 2003 I was referring to sneezer's post, and I do appreciate that you answered :) as well as everybody else. I will post my purpose sometime tonight, because I have to get the virgin....err ok tonight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 something is fishy. I have a feeling this is going to be a fizzle of an idea.lolIt is kinda pointless to make people who dont want to believe understand doctern. This whole argument is somewhat pointless. It started out with open ignorance to wanting to understand the attributes of God. Also question in the beginning was loaded, even if it was "hypothetical". I shouldnt have even posted, but my emotions got the best of me. oh well. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted January 12, 2003 Author Share Posted January 12, 2003 Argument? What argument? I asked a question, you answered, I post why I asked you. Is that an argument? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 its OK, TMA. The thing is that since we answered Acriku's question, we will just return the favor on him, and he will have to answer us since we answered him. he he 8)now....what to ask. I got to think of a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogue1896 Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 jeez, why are you having such a horrific time with this? it's a simple yes or no answer. if you don't think you should answer it then just don't say anything. you don't HAVE to respond. it's not like someone's going to come to your house and kill you b/c you said yes or you are going to hell b/c you said no. it's HYPOTHETICAL. nothing is going to happen. if it bothers you so much just modify your post and forget you said anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SurlyPIG Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 Whether it's intentional or not, Acriku has unrouted the level of hypocrisy among some of you. I don't believe a single monotheist has actually answered a "yes" without any strings attached.I forget what thread it was in but many of you said you would die for God in a second and that anyone who didn't is a hypocrit. Well, I say the same about this.Like it or not, Acriku has just proven that your faith has strings attached to it, maybe except for TMA. Most have dodged the question in a very expected fashion or answered with a complex network of strings attached.All of you know what my answer would be...EDIT : BTW guys I'm not saying your waviering faith is a bad thing. In fact, I think it's fantastic. It shows that, for many of you, your love for your mother is stronger than your faith in god. Good for you. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogue1896 Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 i'm going to assume and hope it'll be 'hell no' ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 You see, here's my opinion on this:How can a person set something that no one knows truly exists above someone who brought you up and who you love?To me, the idea is absurd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gobalopper Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 I don't think it would matter who it was. Killing goes against one of the ten commandments so having God telling you to break it is sorta hard to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 lol, Ace, comes in the middle of the argument.you would do the same thing, Ace. If the infinite God makes himself known in time and space and issues you a command, you would obey it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted January 12, 2003 Author Share Posted January 12, 2003 Using your mother was an effective example, because it should shake the very grounds of faith. It is very hard to go against your mother and to kill her in cold blood, if at all possible, which is why I chose it, to see the limits of faith effectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 it wouldn't matter, Acriku. IF the infinite God makes himself known objectively, then you know that He owns all life anyway. We are not talking about faith any more in your scenario, we are talking about certainty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terror Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 yes, god or no god. Even if i would burn in hell if i did't do it... i wouldn't. My mother is precious to me, as is my whole family. And i'm willing to sacrifice myself for them when necessary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogue1896 Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 damn straight flameweaver. unless it's to save humanity or at the very least a large group of people i would never kill an innocent person in cold blood. i could never bring myself to do it. however, if it WERE to save a large number of people then like someone has already said, i'm sure they'd understand it was a lesser of two evils. b/c if you didn't then in a sense you'd be killing humanity. :- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terror Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 aaah yes, the lesser evil. I hope i'll never encounter such a thing. I don't know if I could deal with that.... like choosing who dies, your mother or your father... that is a choice you cannot make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 You see, if I had the choice of either killing my family or watch the whole world die, I would get some popcorn, sit in the sofa and watch ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edric O Posted January 12, 2003 Share Posted January 12, 2003 Alright, I think I need to clarify my position. As I have said before, I place all things in a heirarchy of importance:1. God2. Mankind3. Family and friends, etc.God is above all. If He ordered me anything, my philosophy of life tells me that I should obey. So the answer to Acriku's original question would be a simple Yes, with no strings attached whatsoever.However... I could never do it. I would probably break down and go insane. So the whole question is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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