Abortion

[UsulSK]

> Killing an embryo is denying a future human being the

> right to existence.

And not having sex, does also kill millions of future human being, because semen dont live forever.  The same with women having their period.  It kills one future human being.  So if I'd follow this logic, then everyone should constantly be having sex to prevent women to have their period and every women should be pregnent every year.

[nemafakei]

... And therefore the pro-life stance is in basis wrong. This is an exaggerated point, but practicality (even on a small scale) demands abortion be legal.

[daniel]

just read the handmaids tale..... :P

[UsulSK]

One question:  Is abortion legal in America?  It luckely is here in germany.

[Ligic_Tha_Master]

Abortion illegal!!??

Geez... that's how the end starts.

[evilbaronatreides]

Abortion is legal in the United States. But each state has its different laws conscerning the circumstances and the term of the pregnacy.

[daniel]

i say we should all jsut leave it to the girls anmd womens decision..we are all guys so we woyuldnt realli know eh...............PAN??

[exatreide]

Loki what the hell did you just say?

[daniel]

i said we should just leave it to the females.cause we wont haf mto decide ever on it.....u cnat force ur "wife" girlfriend" to say no canu or ye..so let tem choose..cause this thread is disturbing me

[exatreide]

ok. What the hell are you talking about?

[daniel]

im saying this is WWAAYY OFF topic and is disturbing mme!!!!

[evilbaronatreides]

Loki, please take time to type your messages clearly. They tend to be very incoherent (if not non-readable).

[Alia_of_the_Knife]

EERR!  I am breaking my own rules!

Anyway, what loki means is that you guys don't have to worry about that.  It's our desicion.  

I don't agree with what I just typed, I just typed it so you males would be able to understand what he was trying to say.  I think abortion should be against the law.  Now I am leaving and (hopefully) never coming back.

Pan

[nampigai]

Somethings you just can't make laws about, and abortion is, in my opinion one of them. The only ones who are to decide moraly are the parents.

[quoudam72]

Well abortion is legal because you do not want to have some woman trying the "home" version and end up killing herself in the process. Society would rather have it in a clinic, were it can be done safely.

[nampigai]

Also in old days we had something called angelmakers who killed the infants with hatneedles through the soft spot in the head.

[quoudam72]

"Angelmakers" what a nice way of putting it, they just couldn't call these little old spinsters "angels of death".

[Edric O]

There is a difference between preventing life by having an abortion and preventing it by not "making" babies in the first place: One involves action, the other involves inaction. If you just sit there and do nothing, no new humans get conceived. However, if a pregnant woman just sits there and does nothing (assuming she and the baby are healthy) a new life is born.

Look at it this way: Not saving someone from drowning is different from shooting that person in the head, isn't it? Action vs inaction.

[evilbaronatreides]

Well if the baby is unwanted, then thats sort of a Lose-Lose situation (maybe more of a Win-Lose). What I'm thinking is that its better that a baby dies rather than living an unwanted existence ie: Having parents who don't nuture it as they should; and raise it in an unhealthy life.

[Acriku]

Most families that don't want their baby would most likely set it up for adoption.

[evilbaronatreides]

Thats true, but the child still knows it was a mistake and never wanted.

[Gobalopper]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3369-2002Jan31.html

Feds: Fetus Called 'Unborn Child'

[quoudam72]

Those abortionist are full of crap.

[RedDuke]

I'd just like to put my point of view in here because I love getting flamed...

Personally, I do not believe that life begins at conception. I believe that a human is, by the sociological definition a Homo sapiens that can symbolize. Humans are the only species on the planet that can symbolize, that is take something and turn it into a symbol, such as a flag or an emblem. That said I do not believe in late term abortion. My feeling is, if they wanted to get an abortion they should have done it before the "pre-human" reached the later stages of development. Abortion at the early stages is no different then scratching your arm. Cells fall off, they die, a Homo sapiens shortly after conception is by no means a life because it doesn't fit into the biological definition of what life is...religion may say differently...but you show me one religion that has never, frequently, and on major issues, been wrong.