Gunseng_Harkonnen Posted March 12, 2002 Share Posted March 12, 2002 Irulan wanted has child with Paul but he refused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander_Ordos Posted March 12, 2002 Author Share Posted March 12, 2002 Ok BUT she wanted a child just to have a Atreides/Corrino child and take control of the throne, but Chani wanted to have a child with Paul of love...Chani or Irulan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunseng_Harkonnen Posted March 13, 2002 Share Posted March 13, 2002 Alexander, Chani, Chani, of course...but I hate the way some people treat Irulan. Not you, but some people. Yes, I know she betrayed and I don`t want repeat reasons but there was worse characters than she. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobdouds Posted March 13, 2002 Share Posted March 13, 2002 Worse, but Mussolini was worse then Hitler, do you get angry at people treating Hitler badly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunseng_Harkonnen Posted March 13, 2002 Share Posted March 13, 2002 Its funny that you such often compare Irulan to Hitler. You can`t compare them, its impossible. Irulan didn`t kill anybody and didn`t cause somebody death. Hilter and Mussolini were fanatics. Does Irulan was fanatic? This was only where she grew up. Later she understand she wasn`t fair and she trying fix everything. This was Irulan who brought up Paul`s children.By the way, who made me Irulan protector here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner154 Posted March 13, 2002 Share Posted March 13, 2002 LOL. Mussolini and Irulan.But simply, let me put it this way, Irulan wanted the throne whereas Chani loved Paul truely. You still tell me Irulan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander_Ordos Posted March 13, 2002 Author Share Posted March 13, 2002 Gonseng, I also vote for Irulan but some people just don't understand her :-[ Irulan isn't bad she just envying Chani for Paul... Â In fact all BG's are good... :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted March 13, 2002 Share Posted March 13, 2002 All BG's can't possibly be good. Jessia steered away from the BG way, and against the system. Why can't others steer away and be traitors to the Great Houses? With the BG training I'm sure the traitor could block her intentions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted March 13, 2002 Share Posted March 13, 2002 The sisterhood manipulates bloodlines for centuries to produce the "kwisatz haderach" so they can rule the universe oh yeah that's very good indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted March 13, 2002 Share Posted March 13, 2002 I agree, they wanted this powerful being and all for themselves for their own use. Pretty much they wanted a lot of power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exatreide Posted March 13, 2002 Share Posted March 13, 2002 Actuly Mussiline was not that bad of a ruler. Up untill ww2. He was a man of the people. I have seen Videos that show him helping in the feilds with farmworkers. lol i would pay to see hitler do that. He captured Eithepia and aided the fasists in the spainish civil war. He was loved by millions of italions around the world. His only fault was alling with hittler and signing the steel pact of 1935 or 36 dont reamber. He was actuly a prety good fasist. Dont get me wrong i hate fasisem and in no way saying that its good. But compared to other fasist and other hated leaders he wasnet that bad. plese not i dont know all the detales are about it. but thats the story i know. so i may be wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobdouds Posted March 13, 2002 Share Posted March 13, 2002 It was supposed to be the other way around, Hitler was worse then Mussolini. My mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunseng_Harkonnen Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 Yes. I know about Hitler more than I want know, so please don`t start with this again.You are sure that all Bene Gesserit was good? Because when Jessica left Bene, she gave Leto son, not daughter and helped Paul, but when she came back in "Children of Dune" she was involved in Leto II kidnap. Bene Gesserit were good in this what they were doing but the way they carry out things was not as good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander_Ordos Posted March 14, 2002 Author Share Posted March 14, 2002 Well they'r doing "bad" things with good intentions... :-/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 The Bene Gesserit helped mankind after the Butlerian Jihad by starting their great school. After the Butlerian Jihad mankind suffered greatly in the mental department so the Bene Gesserit became one of the great schools of teaching. In that aspect the Bene Gesserit were good but remember they are a qusai-religious sisterhood and they also have there own agenda for mankind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander_Ordos Posted March 14, 2002 Author Share Posted March 14, 2002 I guess that's true anyway BG have gret influence on the Imperium and are a piece in the structure of the Imperium... Â Emperor is no emperor without a truthsayer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 Being good with bad intentions? So you think the atomic bomb on Hiroshima was good? You think killing someone because they might kill your family is good, which would be in the smallest probability, let alone the accomplishing of that is highly doubted? What good intentions are these? Helping mankind? To them they will be, but not necessarily to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 Acriku.........I was just stating facts for the Duniverse and to help people understand the Bene Gesserit sisiterhood more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander_Ordos Posted March 14, 2002 Author Share Posted March 14, 2002 A litle otherwise ;D - bad with good intentions, I mean their bad,evil,insidious etc. things are for a good goal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted March 14, 2002 Share Posted March 14, 2002 I wasn't arguing against you, sorry if I led that on. I know you help people  ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunseng_Harkonnen Posted March 15, 2002 Share Posted March 15, 2002 Bene Gesserit were evil, they was only thinking about their Kwisatz Haderach and how to control universe. But their power was very good, they manipulated people. If Leto II didn`t took their privilages it is very possible that Bene Gesserit get what they wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander_Ordos Posted March 17, 2002 Author Share Posted March 17, 2002 Sure Acriku - we Ordos help people  8)...If BG were so bad they'd never had such high privilegies... Anyways still think that BG rule...Chani or Irulan? ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardauker-Kirov Posted March 17, 2002 Share Posted March 17, 2002 Sure.... You ordos help people for a price. Total obedience! That is the directive!Failure is not a valid Execution!;DI love it!!!!!! *Rubs his hands* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander_Ordos Posted March 18, 2002 Author Share Posted March 18, 2002 Ordos final goal is imperial domination - death to Houses Atreides and Corrino, you should better stick with us...* uses his slight powers of the Voice ** Throws the speaker to the junyard** Calls his BG concubine - I think he can be persuaded* 8) ;D ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobdouds Posted March 18, 2002 Share Posted March 18, 2002 Alexander, what is Project HBAT?Remember, all Ordos are one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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