Favorite game?

[Vanguard3000]

No, you forgot that the other Black Isle game that rules over everything else. It begins with F, ends in T and carries the sequel-number of 2. ;)

Planescape: Torment?

[Jack Leaf]

Planescape: Torment?

Where's the F?

[Andoreion]

Fallout 2. I've heard it is one of the RPG's ever :)

[ExSPlug]

Actually 1 is more fun, if only they could make a patch that allows it to have the Fallout 2 npc control system and items in Fallout 2...

[Jack Leaf]

Well, the first one had a better athmosphere, but Fallout 2 was a lot longer, had more plot and revealed tons of neat stuff about the nuclear war.

In Fallout 1 North California was only a raped wasteland in war-torn world, which barely survived from day to day. There was only the poor, and some lucky and rich gun/food traders.

In Fallout 2 South California had already three classes of society: The poor, the average and the rich. People also thrived a lot better. The gap beetween the (athmosphere) conditions is HUGE, but it may be realistic, in 80 years lot can happen... Such cities (and nations) as New California Republic were founded, Redding mined gold and Broken Hills uranium (until they had mined it all :P).

I read the "offical" FAQs of Van Buren a.k.a Fallout 3, and if they ever get a chance to publish it, the game is gonna be neat. It's interesting to see what has happened to the wasteland in another 80 (or longer!) years...

[HasimirFenring]

Forgive the pessimism, but I dont think Fallot 3 is ever coming out.

I think 2 was better than 1 just becuase of places like New Reno ;) and of course all the Monty Python jokes.

[Andoreion]

Forgive the pessimism, but I dont think Fallot 3 is ever coming out.

I wouldn't go that far.:)

[Jack Leaf]

So they are not going to let Obsidian (or whatever it is called, a developent group founded by former BIS employees) make it?

[Andoreion]

No, I'm afraid it has gone to the makers of Morrowind.

[NHJ BV]

Fallout 2. I've heard it is one of the RPG's ever :)

I'm sure it is ;D

[Jack Leaf]

No, I'm afraid it has gone to the makers of Morrowind.

Fuck. And they were like 70% done.

[HasimirFenring]

Well that's good, at least someone will make it, even if it isn't Black Isle :'(.  The Elder Scrolls people make good games, I think we can trust them to make somehitng as good as the Fallout tradition deserves.

[Bi-lalKaifa]

Yes, please do.

Now, about Deus Ex...

... Consider the title of the game; Deus Ex. The first two words of Deus Ex Machina, or, God From The Machine."

"Deus Ex Machina" is a play/movie device. In ancient greek plays, a manifiestation of one of the gods (who spontaneously decided to help or hinder the hero, as is the greek deites' main source of entertainment, it seems. "Oh look, there's a hero out to better humanity. I'm going to go kick him square in the balls/give him this nifty piece of magical equipment!") would be lowered into sight by mechanical rigging. The Romans named it "Deus Ex Machina" (god [came] from the machine), and it's still used in modern films. The cavalry saving the heros at the last moment in numerous cowboy movies, McCloud catching the Kurgan's sword with his own at the last moment, Trinity shooting the agent in the side of the head - they're all Deus Ex Machina. Or Saved by the Cavalry. ;)

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Anyway... favourite games:

- Baldurs Gate II + Throne of Bhall expansion.

- TIE Fighter - Collector's CD-rom [the modern re-make with the newer engine and spankier graphics]

- Dune 2000 (C'mon, Hayt DeVries was great, and the Atriedes mentat was Arturo Gimli... uh... John Rhys Davies!!)

- Unreal Tournament

- Counterstrike

- Final Fantasy VII

- Metal Gear Solid

- Discworld I & II

- Red Alert + expansions

That's it I think... o_

[HasimirFenring]

"Baldurs Gate II + Throne of Bhall expansion"

ever play the original?

"Final Fantasy VII"

ever play VIII?

Obviously a gamer of taste.

[Bi-lalKaifa]

VIII is a good game... at first. I quickly lost interest during the who time fracture bit. I always get bored at the castle and stop playing. I loved the junctioning ability though.

And Baldurs Gate... got it, played it, almost completed it, fucked it up (I killed the bandit lieutenant who's supposed to give you the where-abouts of the bandit camp), retsarted, smashed disc 3 accidently, never got around to re-buying the game. But from what I played of BG1, I thought BGII  was a lot better. I prefered the Icewind Dale series over it also. Although I hate that point-allocation system they use in these 3rd-ed games! God bless Temple of Elemental Evil! Oh, and the SetSTR/DEX/CON/INT/WIS/CHA debuge commands in NWeverwinted Nights. "Yes, I'll have scores of 40 accross the board please 8)"

[HasimirFenring]

I also like the rules in BG and BG2 more than the set used in NWN.  The Icewind series was fun, but too linear for me.  I prefer the Baldur's Gate freedom of choice.  You played to the castle and stopped??  That was almost the end (if you're talking about the castle I'm thinking of).  Did you kill either of the Weapons in VIII?

[Bi-lalKaifa]

The one under the water i think. Right at the bottom of the stairs? I forget which one it is. Ultmate weapon? Omega Weapon is the one in the castle (pull bell, race to area). I never got to the  area in time.

[tutuco21]

i kill al the weapons in FF VIII but i dont kill all of then in FF VII

i think sephiroth is hard enougth and the weapons of the VII are near impossible :)

in VIII u become god like strong... squal and that blue mage quistis + any other mage = win

the only creature hard enouth to kill me 1 in 50 times on the level 100 is the evil marllboro

[EWS]

Yeah I killed Emerald (the underwater one) and Ruby (The desert one) in FF7.  It just takes a special technique to do it.

[Bi-lalKaifa]

i know on ruby you have to have the two flanking characters KO before you go into battle... and for emerald it's some form of materia junction that lets you twat it 15 times with KotR. And you're suppsoed to have something joint with counter, but i forget what it is. Ulrima? KotR again? bleh.

[bryorama]

I prefer Neverwinter Nights over FF7 or BG anyday.  :)

[HasimirFenring]

I prefer Neverwinter Nights over FF7 or BG anyday.

[Bi-lalKaifa]

I'd heard they were bringing out BG3 [spoiler!][hide] Probably from the give-up-godome ending.[/hide]. What edition ill they be using? The 2nd/3rd hybrid? 3rd? 3.5? Ah well. Matter to me not. And I hope NWN2 has a higher XP cap. I maxed out my character well before the final battle on NWN.

[HasimirFenring]

3.5, I think.  Not a direct continuation, Throne of Bhaal was the ending to that storyline.  There was a BG3 in development at Black Isle a few years ago when Interplay lost its D&D lisence, so the game was scrapped.  Both NWN 2 and BG III are in their early stages, but one of them (can't remember, I'll have to check which) is headed by the same project leader as the old Baldur's Gate games, and they even reunited his old team.

[Bi-lalKaifa]

Ooh, that's nice. So we should at least expect the same in-depth aming and world building from the first two games? SHould be interesting to see. I might grab my BG2 discs when I'm at my mother's house (which I shall soon own  8)) this weekend. Pity the computer she has there is a clapped-out piece of poo (it's my old computer, minus the RAM and the 3d video card)