TMA_1 Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 okay, this goes down to some of the roots of things, in your opinion, what are the best and worst creations in the prequels?Best:Erasmus(not really a creation) Story of Pardot and Liet Kynes, I really liked it.Worst:Cymeks! argh lolOmnius and sentient computers that dominate instead of human dominated sentient computers, that is my opinion strictly.House Vernius(Again not a creation really) The explanation of Axolotl Tanks.~~~There are many others, just thought I would start the ball rolling, what are your opinions? Try not to bash too much on the prequels if you can help it, and honestly try to find good aspects in the prequels, because there are some, at least I think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 Just thought I'd post a link to a similar topic you created.My favourite parts were the Tleilaxu fake spice thing (Adjimal (sp?)) and the Zenshi'ite and Zensunni parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timenn Posted March 27, 2004 Share Posted March 27, 2004 TMA, a great deal about the story of Pardot Kynes can be read in one of the appendices of Dune.So that part was just copied...And I believe that that explanation about Axolotl Tanks is somewhere in the Heretics of Dune. But I'm not certain of that. However I thought that explanation as being one better part of the Prequels. Furthermore I just like the pre-Leto II saga better then the saga after Leto II, so for me, the prequels play in a better time period (but I still think the originals are far better)And I just hated the AI in BJ, it was so biased and predictable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted March 28, 2004 Author Share Posted March 28, 2004 I know, but there is a lot added, and it is obviously expanded...You can read about it in the appendix that talks about the ecology of arrakis, right before "space travel!". actually it isnt explained in heretics, it sounds like it but they are just assumptions of what it could be, that the women are the axolotl tanks, it never says that they are kidnapped or taken women that are biologically manipulated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 I agree TMA, Erasmus is really my favorite character. I can't say for certain why, but it gives the whole story an added touch of something perhaps Asimovian in nature, or just classical scifi style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted March 28, 2004 Author Share Posted March 28, 2004 totally inoc, really added originality to the story, very much needed.lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Yeah. Robot wars and Robot against human wars, cyborgs, and even the aspects of Dune (already done by Frank), are mostly cliched. Erasmus is as you say, pretty much totally original in my opinion, at least for his situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 Yes, Erasmus is best part of Legends of Dune series. Can't find anything else good about it. :-[For House series, I liked the IX battles and such with the twin guys. Havn't read them lately though.The takover of IX was very good as far as I remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 -Erasmus isn't really all that original. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 -ElecransROFLspoilers for house prequels and jihad sequels.[hide]Every time you hear of them you know somsone is going to die. >:([/hide] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timenn Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 actually it isnt explained in heretics, it sounds like it but they are just assumptions of what it could be, that the women are the axolotl tanks, it never says that they are kidnapped or taken women that are biologically manipulated.Ok, I must have forgotten a part of that. I only remembered that they used women's wombs for them. Not that they were kidnapped or something like that. Aah, never mind. It seems that I misplaced my understanding of the axolotl tanks and its explanation in the wrong book... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 Best: Erasmus (better would be write only good idea spawned on last 3000 pages of pseudo-Dune written)Worst: Selim (what kind of robinson-story they attempted to?), Rossak (illogical, why would Bene Gesserit take ie Atreides and other Houses to their bloodlines if all quality was on one planet?), socialistic ideas, Holtzmann (is there something this guy or his girl have not invented? I was surprised they haven't said he invented a wheel), Kymeks (no comment needed), Djihad (TRUE djihad is NEVER a reaction!), white-blue morale scale (no more macchiavelism...), gholing of de Vries, Xuttuhu ideaThere are many more candidates for "worst", but not everything "bad" has to be worst... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leto le Juste Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 There are some illogical aspects in the prequels. For instance House Vernius (any allusion in Dune although Rhombur could help Leto), the Spice War (and amal creation) and all above that the birth of Paul and the death of Piter de Vries. Furthermore in Dune, you can see that Anirul died after the birth of Paul and not by saving him.In MC, Erasmus is the best caracter, and I though it is the only one. Perhaps Norma but I 've not read BJ yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted March 29, 2004 Author Share Posted March 29, 2004 good point about holtzmen caid, but there is more to it than thatthe DE makes holtzmen so cool, I love their creation there, I absolutely hated how they made holtzmen into an asshole. He is probably the greatest inventor of all time, he has to be quirky and weird, a mind way beyond normal bounds. that is why I like the DE so much as it gives you what you really deisre most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tio_Holtzmann Posted March 29, 2004 Share Posted March 29, 2004 just to be a pedant, i think it does confirm in heretics that axolotl tanks are converted women, think when the serial duncan is getting his memory back he remembers being removed from the tank and he sees a huge mutant woman. think that's confirmation.off topic - sorry i've been gone for a while, internet explorer has finally decided to go back to its old ways and not show this webpage in 4 point lettering. barsteward microsoft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egeides Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Come on, be a bit more positive. I'll start by saying what I liked most about the prequels: not reading them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 "He remembered emerging time after time: bright lights and padded mechanical hands. The hands rotated him and, in the unfocused blur of the newborn, he saw a great mound of female flesh - monstrous in her almost immobile grossness...a maze of dark tubes linked her body to giant metal containers.""The khasadars who policed all Theilaxu frontiers and guarded the selamliks of the women were right to suspect even Waff."There is no mention of captured females used in the formation of axolotl tanks, only Tleilaxu females are used. This explains why very few have actually been allowed into a selamlik to actually see an axolotl tank. I'm pretty sure its also mentioned that the women are genetically manipulated to serve as somewhat of a giant womb, explaining while they are described as gigantic, immobile, non-sentient blobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 I would have figured that Tleilaxu woman were best suited for axlotl tanks and not captured woman. I never thought of captured woman as it never points to that conclusion except in the prequels. Although maybe they could not risk transferring Tleilaxu woman to IX.And Egeides I thought you were gonna say something positive, then I laughed, then I realized you were right. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted March 30, 2004 Share Posted March 30, 2004 Come on, be a bit more positive. I'll start by saying what I liked most about the prequels: not reading them.So some of them might still be my favorites ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel_Worf Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 Best: Kailea VerniusWorst: Um... have no idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted April 9, 2004 Share Posted April 9, 2004 Yes, I did like the whole Keilea plotline. One of my favourite bits was when the Atreides guard captain was in prison, and the Duke refused to have him killed, leaving him to live his life in pain. Although the whole "they will call you Leto the Just now" bit was a little corny.Oh, and while I wrote this, I remembered another dislike: Jousting turtles with diarrhea. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted April 10, 2004 Share Posted April 10, 2004 Liked: Erasmus; he was so cool...Liked: Cymeks. Yes you can tear me apart for that but I liked them. Less because of what they are but more because of who they are and what they did. Disliked: Selim. Stupid, arrogent, unrealistic...Disliked: The whole of Leto's previous marriage. It read like a soap opera. Disliked: C'tair and D'murr. Not because of who they were but because of what they did. And for the same reason...Disliked: Sorceresses. Yes, they were cool, but unrealistic. And frankly I could never like a group whose mistress [hide] ended the life of Hecate. [/hide]Disliked: Constant needless deaths.Disliked: Holtzmann. Poor guy's character was torn to pieces...Disliked: Norma's transformation. This is Dune for crying out loud!Disliked: Just about everything else but nothing more specific comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted April 11, 2004 Author Share Posted April 11, 2004 this is just my opinion,but one of my favorite parts of the prequels was the story of c'tair and d'murr. I liked the idea of a freedom fighter deep within the planet, that grew and acted so darn cool. I also like the odd connections with his brother and the weird coming of the invention he made that allowed communication across great distances.I also liked d'murrs story and the whole flight that went awry. It just was interesting to me.I kinda forgot about that story, it was one of the parts I always waaited for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostHunter Posted April 11, 2004 Share Posted April 11, 2004 Yeah, I loved the C'tair part; it was so gripping though I almost burnt the book and screamed when he died... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted April 12, 2004 Author Share Posted April 12, 2004 hehe, I didnt, thought it was proper personally. I also have to say, that the story of c'tair and his love affair was really really a good one. I usually hated the whole love stories in the prequels, because they were so typical. I really grew attached to the affair that c'tair had though, it was special and powerful. I also really liked those explosive wafers, and God help us if anything was invented with tht much power in so little matter.lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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