No dictatorship? Anyone agrees?

[Gobalopper]

I've read that the Saudi's have been working on getting support from some of Saddam's higher placed people in order to stage a coup attempt. There has also been talk about Saddam going into exile but that doesn't seem likely anymore. There is now talk that Iraq is hiding arms in private homes and underground bunkers.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030117-907642.htm

Something needs to be done to Iraq, war is one option and not the only option Bush is considering. People like Saddam aren't going to just step down easily, at some point you have to do something. When is that point? I'd say we are pretty close.

[Dante]

I think war is unfortunately inevitable. All we seem to be able to do is delay it a bit. If not against Saddam then someone like him. I think the problem is probably rooted deeply in the Middle East anyway, and Saddam is just a part of it. Along with whatshisname Sharon. Aeriel? Is that how you spell it?

Either way, sooner or later America will declare war on someone in the Middle East, and there's nothing we can do to stop them. You know before WW1 America's foreign policy was non-interferance? Even the start of the Great War wasn't enough to get them to expand any influence outside their borders. Then they saw enough reason to join near the end (can't remember what it was... not the Lusitania anyway...) and ever since have been to act like world-police. No offence to you Americans, I just don't like the way your leaders and mine want to dominate everyone.

And there is another option. If you can't wait for Saddam to die (which seems good enough for me) then don't invade; that's just expensive and stupid. Assassinate him! Send in one or two people with a gun, a sniper rifle or somethng, and all they need to do is get within a few hundred metres and BAM! No more problem! Of course invasion afterwards would be sensible to avoid retaliation but it wouldn't need to be so big or so costly.

[Andrew]

I'm pretty sure they tried to asassinate him, but they cant find him.

[exatreide]

I think war is unfortunately inevitable. All we seem to be able to do is delay it a bit. If not against Saddam then someone like him. I think the problem is probably rooted deeply in the Middle East anyway, and Saddam is just a part of it. Along with whatshisname Sharon. Aeriel? Is that how you spell it?

Either way, sooner or later America will declare war on someone in the Middle East, and there's nothing we can do to stop them. You know before WW1 America's foreign policy was non-interferance? Even the start of the Great War wasn't enough to get them to expand any influence outside their borders. Then they saw enough reason to join near the end (can't remember what it was... not the Lusitania anyway...) and ever since have been to act like world-police. No offence to you Americans, I just don't like the way your leaders and mine want to dominate everyone.

And there is another option. If you can't wait for Saddam to die (which seems good enough for me) then don't invade; that's just expensive and stupid. Assassinate him! Send in one or two people with a gun, a sniper rifle or somethng, and all they need to do is get within a few hundred metres and BAM! No more problem! Of course invasion afterwards would be sensible to avoid retaliation but it wouldn't need to be so big or so costly.

I belive it was when they relized that Germany was trying to get Mexico to declear war on America.

[DukeLeto]

Wow. Impressive. Wonder why the media isn't writing about it...

Because the Republicans control the Media.

[Gobalopper]

Err go to cnn.com, what is their headline? Goto foxnews.com, what is their headline? Goto the Washington Post, same question. Yep no media coverage at all. Damn those Republicans!

[Inoculator9]

I hate republicans. I once heard a humorous article that republicans are the direct descendants of neanderthals (poor spelling). It gave some fantastic evidence, very funny, no offense to our republican members intended.

[Gobalopper]

"If you're not a liberal when you're young, you have no heart.

If you're not a conservative when you're old, you have no brain."

[Mahdi]

http://www.msnbc.com/news/860481.asp

[Inoculator9]

Thats a good one Gob ;D

[Dante]

"If you're not a liberal when you're young, you have no heart.

If you're not a conservative when you're old, you have no brain."

Very good. ;D

[Mahdi]

Just wanted t o add: I don't beleive the republicans controlt he media. The media control's itself, thats the entire point of having the media. I jsut beleive that they are more interested in ratings than anything else, which is why there is hardly any coverage of the anti-war movements. People are morelikley to watch something saying the 33rd infantry division is being deployed on manuvores int he gulf, than 100,000 people sat around chanting "no war."

[Dude_Doc]

No single government of any country can control the media. It would take something bigger to do this, and by that I mean that if there is a group that controls media, they must control global media, communications, defences, etc. Anyways, no more paranoia :P...

By assasinating Husein, you would only find another, young/middle-aged guy taking over his government. I mean, they even tried to assasinate Hitler back in the 40's, and even if they should have succeeded, Germany would only sign a peace treaty, but nazism, racism and white-folks-only things would still have a central country, and I believe they would even would try to rebuild their army and make more and newer weapons. We could also see this in the Soviet Union, just because Stalin died it didn't mean that the whole russian communism dropped, it endured for another 50 years. The same goes for Husein, either his son or another will take his place. What, what can an old man at 70 years do? Point a gun, yes, but not defeat an entire country. So yes, people do support him and his rule, and there would probably be another "Hussein" taking his place when the original die.

[Dude_Doc]

Oh, more to make war happens:

I read recently that, besides the empty missiles, they found "instructions" and papers on nuclear devices. Guess Bush's new speech will be on air tomorrow...

[TMA_1]

Geesh its amazing how nieve some of you guys are. jumping to conclusions. You would be surprised how currupt american government is and for that matter how many other western governments are currupt. How the Media, for money and gain, become bias. You guys need to open your eyes.

[Dude_Doc]

And it sucks that we can't do a damn thing about it...

[exatreide]

Thomas Pain once wrote. "it is commen sense that when a goverment is not the will of the people. A new goverment must be established."

or something like that

[Dude_Doc]

And since most of the governments that replaces the old will also become corrupt, like we have seen in both communist, facist and capitalist societies, that sentense won't do any good...

[Sneakgab]

Obviously we all know the Media may be corrupt sometimes, but what else will you do to gain info? perhaps you would like to take a visit to Iraq you'reself?

For all you knew Iraq, or the entire world excepting America, could be an illusion... know wonder some Americans think their country is the whole world:D

[ordos45]

I decided to flip through the three major news channels I get at my house earlier this evening. One was talking about a celebrity, one about Iraq, and one about people Protesting against war with Iraq, so yes, protestors get some minor coverage. Missed BBC America's Newsbroadcast though, darn.

[sneezer3]

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[emprworm]

as for Sadaam: take him out. finish what was started 10+ years ago.

'nuff said.

[Anathema]

Well there were those empty warheads meant for launching chemical weapons found the other day in Iraq, which means some idiot forgot about them and didn't disassemble them. Bush wants this war, the illusion of the people holding the power in a democracy is just that, an illusion.

Err, they were beyond use, and furthermore, chemical weapons aren't really weapons of mass destruction.

[Dude_Doc]

No, they were empty, not beyond use.

And now I will ask the same question again:

"How should the world overthrow the dictatorship in Iraq and replace it with democracy?"