emprworm Posted December 26, 2002 Author Share Posted December 26, 2002 I already said, Edric, that I am completely for the diplomacy first option. But it is critical that the diplomacy be backed by implied force. Asking "please, pretty please... oh please please Mr. Jong, please dont make nuclear weapons" is futile. Any person of intelligence will have an alternate plan in case diplomacy fails.You have a plan A and a plan B.Plan A: diplomacyPlan B: forceNote that plan B must actually exist for plan A to have any real chance of success.North Korea's most likely plan will be to delay, stall, delay, stall, until they aquire a nuclear arsenal. South Korea and the UN must not tolerate a tactic like this. The only way to have diplomacy work switfly is to back it with implied force. If NK is not stupid as you say, then they will quickly submit to diplomatic demands. If they do not submit, they will submit forcibly. If force is NEVER an option in your diplomacy, then you are tolerant of the situation and you are against South Korea (and soon to be UN) and for the dictator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted December 26, 2002 Author Share Posted December 26, 2002 I would much rather tolerate a dictator with a nuclear arsenal i know. you were the one who already said that you didn't give a rip about SK. Your true nature has already shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 Would you support the blowing up of nuclear plants if you knew it would lead to WWIII? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted December 26, 2002 Author Share Posted December 26, 2002 lol, there is no possible way it could lead to WWIII. no possible way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 If you think that, then you're just an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordos45 Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 Iraq/US War, North/South Korea War, India/Pakistan War...take your pick, any can easily lead to a Third World War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted December 26, 2002 Author Share Posted December 26, 2002 and this is coming from the guy who said:I don't care about SK.andI would much rather tolerate a dictator with a nuclear arsenal i dont think you and I have very much in common. here are my views:I care about SK. I have no tolerance of Adolph Hilter or Kim Jong with a nuclear arsenal and neither should the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 Is he? Take a look at WWI. The direct cause for the war was the murder on the crown prince Ferdinand of Austria, but there were many more reasons that had their part. Germany had already said they would support Austria unconditionally for one thing, and Russia said the same thing to the Balkan. Things were brewing for a long time before WWI started. As of yet there is no global or even continental war brewing in this world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted December 26, 2002 Author Share Posted December 26, 2002 North/South Korea War would not wind up with WWIII. The UN will support South Korea. The ONLY ally NK would have is China. In the case of China vs. The World...well they are simply just not that stupid.If they were, it would be nuclear holocaust for China. Sunshine and Pina Colada's for everyone else.there would not be a WWIII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 Earthnuker - what about the war with terror???? What about Sep 11??Emprworm, the second was taken out of context - but wait that's your favorite thing to do, isn't it? I certainly care very little of SK, and that's human - they are far away and I more about the place where I live. And your plan will forever condemn US as a murderer of innocent civilians, if not start a war with US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted December 26, 2002 Author Share Posted December 26, 2002 And your plan will forever condemn US as a murderer of innocent civilians, if not start a war with US.lol, everyone already thinks of the US like that. AND?My plan is the same as SOuth Korea's plan. And soon to be the UN plan (watch and see). Here, I will summarize it for you again:You have a plan A and a plan B.Plan A: diplomacyPlan B: forceNote that plan B must actually exist for plan A to have any real chance of success.North Korea's most likely plan will be to delay, stall, delay, stall, until they aquire a nuclear arsenal. South Korea and the UN must not tolerate a tactic like this. The only way to have diplomacy work switfly is to back it with implied force. If NK is not stupid as you say, then they will quickly submit to diplomatic demands. If they do not submit, they will submit forcibly. If force is NEVER an option in your diplomacy, then you are tolerant of the situation and you are against South Korea (and soon to be UN) and for the dictatorso, what part of South Korea's plan is the part that is so 'evil?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 North/South Korea War would not wind up with WWIII. The UN will support South Korea. The ONLY ally NK would have is China. In the case of China vs. The World...well they are simply just not that stupid.If they were, it would be nuclear holocaust for China. Sunshine and Pina Colada's for everyone else.there would not be a WWIIIYou're wrong, it would be:US+NATO v NK, Middle East, China and possibly Russia NUCLEAR AND CONVENTIONAL WAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 Technicly it's not a war, no declaration of war has been issued to anyone. And sofar it's limited to only one Afghanistan. Iraque will probably join the list, but that doesn't make it a new world war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 You already posted that, empr. Can't you come up with anything new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 Technicly it's not a war, no declaration of war has been issued to anyone. And sofar it's limited to only one Afghanistan. Iraque will probably join the list, but that doesn't make it a new world war.Anything that deals with nuclear bombs/materials can start a nuclear war which no doubt will be a World war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted December 26, 2002 Author Share Posted December 26, 2002 South Korea's plan includes implied force. Your plan is simply:Ask NK to please stop. If it fails, Ask NK to please stop again.If it fails, Ask NK to please stop again.If it fails, Ask NK to please stop again.If it fails, Ask NK to please stop again.If it fails, Ask NK to please stop again.If it fails, Ask NK to please stop again.If it fails, Ask NK to please stop again.If it fails, Ask NK to please stop again.Is that an accurate reflection of your plan?If not, then you tell me: what happens, in your plan, if NK refuses to disarm?South Korea's plan: (which I agree with, and soon the UN plan)Request NK to terminate using diplomacy backed with implied UN force in case of refusal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordos45 Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 Are you a Republican? This sounds like Republican lust for war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 You see, even if NK will have nuclear weapons, they would not use them, because they know it will start a nuclear war and they will die.Now if US intereferes, kills hundreds of thousands of civilians and NK manages to still keep the uranium (most likely), they will build nukes and launch them at US, because they are now very very mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted December 26, 2002 Author Share Posted December 26, 2002 i noticed how meticulously you dodged my question. o well, not surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted December 26, 2002 Author Share Posted December 26, 2002 are you a nazi? Sounds like a nazi's support of a dictator aquiring a nuclear arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 The only thing US should do is ask and threaten, but not use force. Use of force can lead to far greater evil than letting them build nukes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted December 26, 2002 Author Share Posted December 26, 2002 so looks like I see the difference in plans.South Korea's plan (and soon to be UN):Plan A: diplomacyPlan B: forceNote that plan B actually exists Your plan:Plan A: diplomacyPlan B: forceNote that plan B does not exist. Plan A will be repeated endlessly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 are you a nazi? Sounds like a nazi's support of a dictator aquiring a nuclear arsenal.Look up the beliefs of a nazi and see if there is anything there that says about "supporting a dictator's acquirement of nuclear weapons".If anyone - you're a nazi - YOU SEEK TO CONDEMN INNOCENT CIVILIANS TO A GRUESOME DEATH BY RADIATION POISONING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edric O Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 Emprworm, I suggest shooting darts at a picture of Kim Jong. Maybe that will calm you down. Alternatively, you can shoot the picture with any one of your numerous firearms. Or better yet, take that little arsenal of yours with you and go to N. Korea yourself to blow up the power plants. ::)In any case, I have nothing more to say to you on this subject until you start thinking properly again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted December 26, 2002 Share Posted December 26, 2002 Don't give him any ideas, Edric. You know very well that he might just do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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