VigilVirus Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 Yes, just like one of my favorite sayings - "We are all going to die. It is just a matter of Where, When and How".Heh, you can go as far as saying - "The purpose of Life is Death".
ordos45 Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 Nav demanding an apology to the nature of God's plans for humanity, strange.
VigilVirus Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 Nav demanding an apology to the nature of God's plans for humanity, strange.Well, everything in life is strange.
Lord J Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 Nah, Nav will live forever, worrying the rest of us into early graves.
IxianMace Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 Well, everything in life is strange.I find it very strange how Nav, being one of the most despised people on this forum, is also the most frequently talked about. IMO it is time we left Nav to his own ends, and moved on. There's simply no point in discussing Nav any further. It doesn't seem like he'll change, and giving him attention probably only helps to add fuel to his fire. If we change our attitude towards Nav, perhaps he'll change his attitude towards us.
aox0m0xoa Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 if god supposedly decides when people die, and suicide is a sin, whats goin on?
SurlyPIG Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 That is but one of the many, many illogical "holes" in religion.
TMA_1 Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 because killnig one's self is thinking independantly of God's will. Though you are just mixed in God's plan and actually continue the plan by killing yourself. It is the mindset that was wrong. There are no loopholes. Only people who like to slandor religion.
Edric O Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 Just posted to let you know that I do NOT share TMA's belief that God somehow decides when everyone dies. That is ridiculous. It contradicts the free will principle.
d3m0nger Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 because killnig one's self is thinking independantly of God's will. Though you are just mixed in God's plan and actually continue the plan by killing yourself. It is the mindset that was wrong. There are no loopholes. Only people who like to slandor religion.My personal opinion,I think any One Who really believes in God is a total Idiot. For 1, It has never been proven that there is such a thing is a **god** and i doubt there is, people just need 2 believe in something. Something to Hope for,Alot of older people believe in god because the
Edric O Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 Then my personal opinion is that you are a narrow-minded fool. No offense, of course.Of course there is no proof. That's why it's called faith. And if you make a list of all the things you take for granted without having actual proof yourself, you will be amazed to see how much faith you have.Religion is a spiritual experience, but I doubt you know the meaning of the word.
d3m0nger Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 Well listen, I won't believe in something unless i know it might be possible, and I doubt there is such a thing as a god,And when i look back in history,And i see how such a stupit thing like god got created,And all the rules the church made, And if you din't stick in with those rules, U would've gotten killed,HOW STUPIT IS THAT???,like the Islamic believers, they would give there lives for god, but wasen't god the One who gave life too them?, And whats all this,when i look in their Bible, it says: 'Death 2 all Unbelievers' !, lol....]Now tell me, How am i a narrowd-minded fool?,I just look at the facts, and it tells me A thing as *god* is just utter-BULLshit.Regards.avatar
Edric O Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 Here's a hint: learn how to spell. And punctuation is your friend.What do I have to do with Islam? I'm a Christian.Speaking of history, do you know what caused untold murders, wars, atrocities and genocides? Countries. And the idiots who worship them (patriots and nationalists).Furthermore, I can see that you lack in even the most basic knowledge of history and religions. You think you know what the Holy Book of Islam says, yet you don't even know its name (the Qur'an). In fact, how can I expect you to know anything about it, when you probably haven't even read the Bible? Read the Bible. See why the Church was wrong in the past. Think for once, instead of spewing out what you've picked up from wild rumours.
Lord J Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 LOL, dang...Whatever happened to the Religion thread when you need it?
Acriku Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 God gives us free will. God knows all that has is and will happen. This is one of the major loops, and still hasn't been fully addressed yet, perhaps now would be ideal?Edric, kind of ironic that you call him narrow-minded...
rogue1896 Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 because killnig one's self is thinking independantly of God's will. Though you are just mixed in God's plan and actually continue the plan by killing yourself. It is the mindset that was wrong. There are no loopholes. Only people who like to slandor religion.My personal opinion,I think any One Who really believes in God is a total Idiot. For 1, It has never been proven that there is such a thing is a **god** and i doubt there is, people just need 2 believe in something. Something to Hope for,Alot of older people believe in god because the
aox0m0xoa Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 i think religions are just a form of government, they keep you in check by instilling the fear of a higher being in you. you must have faith to believe in religion, because every culture has had a religion. christianity is just the popular one now, but that may change in a few thousand years. look at the egyptians they lasted for a quite a while with their religion. i think its fine to have faith in something, but i strongly disagree in people strictly believe what someone tells them, because the church has changed its beliefs so many times, and it hasnt been because god said so. priests taking their vow of celibacy was a purely monetarely motivated ation. btw, lets keep this civil guys.
d3m0nger Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 i actually agree with him. i'm more of a man of science. if it isn't there, and there is no proof such a thing exists, then how CAN it exist? and don't give none of that bs like god lives in the hearts of all honorable christians or anything. i don't consider myself an atheist or anything. i've just always had my doubts. and like avatar said, all the dumb things that people did in the past...are you telling me god had a hand in doing that? are you telling me that god had a hand in hitler's genocide of the Jews? i just can't believe that. hitler was crazy and acted by himself, without any influence from god.and no, nationalists and patriots did not cause most wars, or something like that you said. religion was a huge factor in almost every major war for a long time. it was always, "hey, you think diferently than me so i'm gonna try to take your land."--that's just my two cents on religion.Totally agree.
Elite47 Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 Think about this; The people who adopted and carried on with religions are the same morons who thought the world was flat. Religion started out with the belief and worship of sun gods and thunder gods etc... and now we know that its nothing more 'mother nature'. So as a result,us today believe that the old religions that worshipped many gods were dumb, and we now KNOW that they were wrong. That is what they believed but not us. Well thats just one religion that noone believes in anymore because now we know why it rains or why the wind blows etc... something that can we EXPLAINED.Death cannot be explained, and so that is one thing people fear(of coarse not christians because they're going to Heaven ::)).ppl fear what cannot be explained. just like any other religion, Christianity gives 'hope' and it fills in the blank. Religion is something more your brought up in, like the rules of the house. You LEARN to live by the rules. But it would be totally different if you were born across the world by different parents.What makes u think that jesus Christ is the one true god, the almighty creator of all things. Are you scared of something? do u need that reassurance that a super natural being is in your heart watching you and everone at all times. Are you gonna live in the clouds when you die? Are all of teh other religions in the world wrong? i mean think about all of those other ppl (their religion has the possibility to be just as right as christianity) in the world that believe in something else or stick to the facts and believe nothing. how are they wrong? You havent shook jesuss hand and i dont believe joe shmo has ever shook budhas hands either. Other people wrote the bible and just like a rumor it gets changed as it gets passed along. What makes u think the bilbe is all right?? How do u know your beliefs arent made up or twisted? I mean after all, all the information about christianity that youve been given was from 2ndary sources, and a 2ndary source never knows like the real thing, if at all.I just hate how christians talk about going to heaven and everyone else will go to hell. Its actually kind of funny if u think about it. Christianity is a very nice sounding religion with jesus living in your heart, watching over you and making sure you have a paradise when you do... why wouldnt someone want that it sounds great. You know my family is christian and they told me all about that stuff. I dont knwo im just saying i would switch or become christian if i heard about all the good things that come out of it. But in reality, it hasnt been explored or figured out which doesnt mean its not possible but it does mean that their are tons and tons of dfferent beliefs and everyone thinks theirs is right lol... but REALITY CHECK.... the most popular religions are just the ones that bring most benefit to themselves. Who woudl join a religion today where u must sacrifice dogs and when u die u will go t o hell?lol noone so the flowery religions are the top ones.I got so many ideas running through my head i just spewed some out but thats pretty much what i think.
d3m0nger Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 Thats exactly what i was thinking, Only my english ain't good enough 2 blurt it out like that 8).
Edric O Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 God gives us free will. God knows all that has is and will happen. This is one of the major loops, and still hasn't been fully addressed yet, perhaps now would be ideal?Yes I DID address it in the past. Funny how easily some people forget the things they don't like...It is simple. God gave us free will, therefore we are free to act as we choose. He does NOT know the future per se, because the future is not fixed yet. However, God knows all the possible futures. All the possible future states of every particle in the universe. However, it is up to US to decide which of those possibilities becomes reality.and no, nationalists and patriots did not cause most wars, or something like that you saidIt drives me mad when people ignore the obvious cause of evil and look for scapegoats (i.e. religion). Hitler was a nationalist. Stalin was a nationalist. The Kaiser of Germany in WW1 was a patriot. Napoleon was a patriot. Every single evil dictator in history did what he did because he LOVED HIS COUNTRY!Countries cause wars. There is no denying it. The concept of "nation-state" is responsible for the bloodiest massacres in history. And for what? FOR LOVE OF ONE'S COUNTRY.I just hate how christians talk about going to heaven and everyone else will go to hell.Oh, so I suppose I should be happy about how atheists talk of hopeless oblivion for each and evey man, woman and child?You know NOTHING about what it means to be a Christian.I chose my own religion, and my parents are agnostics. I chose Christianity because it is the Religion of Love. Love for God and Love for your fellow man. Love for Humanity. There is nothing greater than this.There is too much darkness in your hearts. And only you can change that. Not with the doctrines of some corrupt Church, but pure human Love.Love Mankind.
Anathema Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 Nav, you would receive praise and commendation from the entire Emperor community if you decided to spare us the trouble and put yourself out of your misery.There's not enough room in this universe for your ego.That's something you should not make fond of Edric.Anyhow, I don't see why Gob goes through all of this trouble. Nav's an unwanted troll. Everybody would be relieved if he were booted.(Troll: person who (usually) deliberately provokes flames)
d3m0nger Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 LOL just look how stupit you sound edrico. U actually believe there is a thing as GOD? Well.. then im sure, u LOST it..
nampigai Posted November 10, 2002 Posted November 10, 2002 stop mocking people for believing in god. You don't have proof that there isn't?
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