Caid Ivik Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 This feeding... That's why Einstein was bad schooler. School is fightning against fantasy ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted October 18, 2002 Author Share Posted October 18, 2002 Embryo's aren't human because they aren't conscious. For example I don't support abortion because those kids are certain to live (unless there aborted of course). But embryos may never actually take on our form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjCiD Posted October 18, 2002 Share Posted October 18, 2002 So your against abortion (I am too btw) unless its still an embryo then it doesnt matter? It really all boils down to what we were taught or how we were influenced becasue I fervently believe that life begins at conception... that life may not take form on this earth do to miscarriges or other pregnacy related problems but even so the soul is still returned to God. I see the embryo as a human child to be... and by ending its life in the womb or creating embryos to harvest thier stem cells is just plain murder to me.... I'm not saying I'm right you're wrong, but I know we all share different thoughts basied on how we were brought up.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted October 18, 2002 Author Share Posted October 18, 2002 I totally agree, life begins at conception. But not sentient life. And I think that if a sentient life can be saved by harming a non-sentient life, then I'd have to go with it. But I don't like death, I never will. But under the cirumstances the lesser of the evils is allowing the embryo to die rather then the person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 Destruction of embryo is death. Babies are unsentient too, and if they die we see it as like every other one's death. Oh my God, both are humans, just on lesser evolution status, you are equal to it! Experiment with anything animal, we have millions of kinds, why they have to kill human? Or even prevent them to reach normal life? Why they can't have same chance as we, born? Birth mustn't be privilege. As I've alreadz said, any embryo would became better scientist, which would find ten times more solutions than one experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted October 19, 2002 Author Share Posted October 19, 2002 Are you suggesting that we use animal embryos? But unborn babies are sentient, they just don't have conversations with their umbilical cord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 As I've alreadz said, any embryo would became better scientist, which would find ten times more solutions than one experiment.Perhaps an embryo would grow up to become the new Hitler or Stalin. This is not a valid argument.If someone lies sick in bed, and the only way to cure him is to grow a clone of him to extract cells while the clone is in embryo state, then the embryo in fact already had a chance- it's basicly a clone of someone that already lived a live and had a chance to prove himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted October 19, 2002 Author Share Posted October 19, 2002 Nuker, I find that to be an interesting argument, but it sounds like your saying if you look like your mother you'll have a similar life. This is not necessarily true. Embryos have the potential to grow into something totally different. But potential is different from kinetic. A baby is already on it's way to it's potential, but an embryo may not ever be used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katnip03 Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 I don't think humans have the right to decide it is okay to clone something, but I also don't disagree with it. I think it depends on the situation. As far as I am concerned, an embryo is a life but it isn't feeling, or thinking, or any of that. I think it is up to the individual on what they decide. Personally I never really want kids and could care less about babies and embryos, but who wants to bring a kid into this world anyway? Just so they can witness wars and terrorism and all that other stuff? We are the only species that try to play god, and it helps in some cases and not in others. To each their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted October 19, 2002 Author Share Posted October 19, 2002 I do partially agree with that. But we shouldn't give up on the human race. At the moment it has a lot of problems but a lot of people are working to solve them. None of us will likely see a widespread solution to most of our problems, but we'll see their beginnings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katnip03 Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 I agree with that. There are really some darn good people out there, it is just a pity that governments are not, yet they rule our countries. I am sorry, but this is not a free country, in my opinion. If a person can't legally clone, or have an abortion, etc, it isn't free. Each person should be able to decide their own fate for themselves, not saying I agree with cloning or abortion, but for some people, it is a necessary step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted October 19, 2002 Author Share Posted October 19, 2002 I am divided on abortion. I hate death, but I know of times when fathers impregnate there daughters. Now what would you do under those circumstances. I think that abortion doctors should have a criteria, I know it's a violation of privacy but it's worth saving a life. If someone can't support the baby then they should have it and put him or her up for adoption, If the situation is as bad as my example then an abortion should be allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katnip03 Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 I definately agree on that one. The only time abortion bothers me is when people continually sleep around, get pregnant, and use that as their form of contraception, now if someone rapes someone and they get pregnant, then I would DEFINATELY be for that abortion, and I wouldn't want to be a child that came about because of rape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted October 19, 2002 Author Share Posted October 19, 2002 It's a horryfing thought. And I know of women that get pregnant so that they can't get evicted. That is disgusting, and she keeps the children. This women lives outside my town, in a trailer that might as well be on the inside of an outhouse. I will never understand why the government doesn't take possesion of these kinds of children. In Florida children live in hell-holes, and stay there, while the social workers should be going to the house. Florida has one of the worst social services in the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katnip03 Posted October 19, 2002 Share Posted October 19, 2002 Some women really irritate me with the way they use babies and pregnancy to get what they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted October 19, 2002 Author Share Posted October 19, 2002 I don't think for most women they plan on doing that from the beginning. But under some circumstances like the one I told you about, it's just shameful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 As I've alreadz said, any embryo would became better scientist, which would find ten times more solutions than one experiment.Perhaps an embryo would grow up to become the new Hitler or Stalin. This is not a valid argument.If someone lies sick in bed, and the only way to cure him is to grow a clone of him to extract cells while the clone is in embryo state, then the embryo in fact already had a chance- it's basicly a clone of someone that already lived a live and had a chance to prove himself.This is an argument? So, kill every child and you'll be sure no new Hitler come. There are more good scientists than global dictators. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repoman Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 No, we'll end up like Rhombur in House Corrino (the book).Wasn't there a part in the bible that said humans should not interfere in any way with the human body? Here in the Netherlands we have zealots that refuse to let their children to have injections against deseases because of religious reasons. And those kids end up with horrorible deseases that could have been prevented easily if their parents didn't oppose it.Welcome to the stupidy of christianity.You put shit on the jehover's witnesses when cristianity is just as bad just not neccessarily as stupid. Yeah sure enough they aren't allowed to take pain killers etc but how is that different from saving yoiur childs life through genetics.Wake up you gullible religion belivers as your kids depend on you and because you are too stupid to see religion for what it really is, your kids might suffer. You are puting your beliefs before your children. How selfish is that. You are gullible selfish skum if you choose you religion over your children.Cloning will improve humanity as humanity has stopped the process of natural selection. The human race is getting more stupid every generation. Unless we embrace this new technology the human race might die out. Who cares when a embryo is alive it matters not as at the end of the day we are a bunch of cells that are useless unless we are helping the human race. What matters is the human race. If we dont discover how to live outside of earth before we f*&k the earth we are dead.Simple, The human race is in the biggest race of its life. To get of the earth before we destroy it.Wwhy try to achieve this with one arm tied behind our backs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 As I've alreadz said, any embryo would became better scientist, which would find ten times more solutions than one experiment.Perhaps an embryo would grow up to become the new Hitler or Stalin. This is not a valid argument.If someone lies sick in bed, and the only way to cure him is to grow a clone of him to extract cells while the clone is in embryo state, then the embryo in fact already had a chance- it's basicly a clone of someone that already lived a live and had a chance to prove himself.This is an argument? So, kill every child and you'll be sure no new Hitler come. There are more good scientists than global dictators.Well, there is a much larger chance the child will grow up to become a major @sshole hated by everyone. What an embryo coul become is not relevant.If you were forced to choose between 6 street bums and one embryo, would you choose the embryo because the embryo could possibly become a scientist or whatever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted October 21, 2002 Share Posted October 21, 2002 Amen Repo, we need to wake up to see the big picture - how to help humanity. Not keep it in a religious shell, but let it roam the lands of knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjCiD Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Knowledge? Thats funny when you think about it thats what made the shit hit the fan in the first place.*knock knock knock*Hello McFly? Eve? Garden of Eden? Tree of Knowledge? Forbidden Fruit?!see where searching for knowledge got us then... One day were gonna open a can of worms and I dont want to be around in the future when the shit hits the fan then.I mean really... who wants to be just a bunch of clones walking around? Oh you want to be immortal? Well thats really gonna go over easy with the guys at population controll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repoman Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Acrikureligion fears knowledge as knowledge destroys religion.the more knowledge we find the more holes we find in religion.One day we are going to look back at the human race and we will think that i can't believe how many people fell for it.It will be a subject in schools eventuallyThe manipulative powers of religion ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjCiD Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 On that same day Satan will look up from Hell and say "I can't believe how many people fell for it." The manipulative powers of Satan >;D His greatest act is making the world believe he doesnt exist... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Religion has no holes. Name one. Morale codex is unchangable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted October 22, 2002 Share Posted October 22, 2002 Hmm how about artifacts of Neanderthals tens of thousands of years ago, and Adam and Eve was around 6000. There have been "theories" on how to fill this hole, but a hole nonetheless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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