says logic. Obviously it is impossible for an eternal being to have a beginning. You want everything backed by scientific discovery? Well why dont you start first, then. Please tell me exactly what scientific discovery says that the universe popped into existence via some gargantuan quantuum fluctuation? What sicentific discovery says that an explosion creates anything? Funny how the 'big bang' - an explosion the size of quadrillions of nuclear bombs somehow creates all this. Have you ever heard of dropping a nuclear bomb on a city, blowing it up, then all the pieces falling back together again, re-forming the city? Lol. Thats precisely what your so-called "science" is postulating. But wheres the observation? There is none. No one was there at the Big Bang. No one. Period. Puny little homosapiens roughly 2 meters tall, 90% water, who eat Big Macs and drink Pepsi are going to say what happened billions and billions of years ago? THEY HAVE NO IDEA. Emp you contradict yourself once again. For once you are right but by being right you are destroying your argument. We have no idea on how the first single celled organism was created. Simple man we don't know!!!! Listen once again !!! We don't Know!!! One more time we don't know. We can make educated guesses on how the first single celled organism began but at the moment we have none, We dont know how the world was first created as there is no scientific evidence that proves it either way. We only have educated scientific opinion which can in time prove to be wrong as it is opinion. We cant explain everything as we do not have evidence to explain everything. We can say some things are proven such as evolution as this can be proven to occur from scientific evidence(i am not getting into this argument again with you as it is more than amply proven) Faith is believing in something without evidence. You can quite rightly pick holes in scientific opinion as it is opinion but you cannot pick holes in evidence. i.e We share 98% of genetic code with chimps. To take a quote from the australian acedamy of science "All scientific ideas are theories, imperfect and subject to test. That the theory of evolution is imperfect, and still the subject of study and modification, affirms that the theory is part of science. Many attempts to modify and expand the theory have been successful, showing (since Darwin's day) the gene-basis of inheritance, the basis of gene-reproduction in the double helix structure of DNA, the 'genetic drift' basis of the origin of breeds, and so on. Many challenges to the fundamentals of the theory have failed empirical test. The theory has attracted enormous empirical testing and remains one of the most powerful of scientific ideas. or emprworm i imply you to read this please. If you can read this and still believe in creationism then you are the definition of blind faith http://books.nap.edu/html/creationism/evidence.html The point is that despite all the evidence to the contrary you still believe in your religion which unfortantly means you are brain washed. You have a very difficult task ahead of you and i hope that you can open you mind up as it will be very rewarding if you can. Good luck and i hope that i get to play you in emperor some time soon. Unfortuantly these threads have been taking away from my emperor time and my company is taking off like a wildfire and dont have the time to devote to these threads anymore but good luck with your lifes endeavours and please continue to prolong emperor's life for as long as you can :'(