Caid Ivik Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 But it already has soul. Ah, I've forgotten that you think about yourself as just couple of flesh, Earthnuker."If you were forced to kill either a chicken or an egg, wich would you kill"I think that human has bigger right to live than a chicken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 But wich has more right to live: an unsentient egg or a sentient human being?Define "soul". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Of course human, but if you mean with that "unsentient egg" human embryo, they are equal for me.Soul is source of "self". It makes you superior to other lifeforms. Difference between ape and human is genetically only 0,3 %. Soul makes you able to write your next argument here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Most of our DNA is latent and rudimental, and the amount of active DNA we share with apes is much smaller- though it is undetermined how large that percentage is.Can an embryo think of an argument for this topic? Then how can you say an embryo has a soul? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Soul is a creator. Linked with brain, but because brain isn't grown it doesn't mean it's an animal. Would you kill for medical purposes just born baby? It can't think too, but has soul and it IS human, which can't be killed even by atheistic rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Embryos are not born babies, and babies have brains and are sentient.If I pluck a hair out of my head, it is human- does that mean that one hair of mine is equal to a human being? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 When you prove a soul exists, we can talk about it. A lot can be explained by our feelings, chemicals, hormones, etc. And I think soul a ways back was used for a metaphorical sense more often (like judging a person by "the blackness of the soul"). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 Your hair have no ability to grow to full human being. Embryo has, altough it's fully dependent on mother.Define "sentient". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 Sentient= Self aware, able to think and make decisions.Believe me, I don't take cloning lightly- but I believe it is right to do so in order to save human lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted October 11, 2002 Author Share Posted October 11, 2002 A hair has the potential to become biomatter for a species.When you think of cloning you think of cloning an entire person. I don't think I'd approve of this, but cloning limbs is totally alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 So, to clone just part of body should be acceptable, but how we know which part makes human intelligent being?"Embryos are not born babies, and babies have brains and are sentient.""Sentient= Self aware, able to think and make decisions"Earthnuker, when you were born, you had awared yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 No, but I was already concious- though of course I had no idea what was going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 "Concious". That insect I've just killed on monitor was conscious too and I don't think about it as equal to human. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted October 11, 2002 Author Share Posted October 11, 2002 So, to clone just part of body should be acceptable, but how we know which part makes human intelligent being?What do you mean. Do you mean that that if a cloned limb is attached to another person, we may attaching a sentient arm to someone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 So, which part of body makes us intelligent, if soul is in whole body? But can we say it about separated i.e. arm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted October 11, 2002 Author Share Posted October 11, 2002 So, if I were to lose my arm, I'd be less of a person? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 The brain makes us intelligent ::) If a soul exists, then wouldn't the head part be associated with the brain (what makes us intelligent)? If you lose your arm, you become less of a human physically, but not necessarily mentally. Some can't take the loss of a limb and go nuts, some deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted October 11, 2002 Author Share Posted October 11, 2002 Of course it makes you less physically but you're no less a person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Repoman Posted October 12, 2002 Share Posted October 12, 2002 the brain is you the rest is just a meat machine simple as that. You die you live it makes no difference. Cloning will generate exciting new possibilities. Embrace it or be left behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 12, 2002 Share Posted October 12, 2002 If brain is the physical core of human, than any other part should be cloned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 12, 2002 Share Posted October 12, 2002 But to do that, we'd still have to do hundreds of experiments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted October 12, 2002 Author Share Posted October 12, 2002 Sure we'd have to do experiments, but no one is really the worse for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 12, 2002 Share Posted October 12, 2002 I think it's better to do no such this. Good alternative would be cybernetical prothesis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted October 12, 2002 Share Posted October 12, 2002 Why is that caid? Don't be afraid of technology :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted October 12, 2002 Author Share Posted October 12, 2002 He said that technology would be better. Cybernetics would be great, but thats just as far away, technologically as cloning replacement limbs. If cybernetics were a viable solution I'd support it rather then cloning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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