Medical Cloning

[katnip03]

do we really want to end up like the Tleilaxu?

lol

[Anathema]

No, we'll end up like Rhombur in House Corrino (the book).

Wasn't there a part in the bible that said humans should not interfere in any way with the human body? Here in the Netherlands we have zealots that refuse to let their children to have injections against deseases because of religious reasons. And those kids end up with horrorible deseases that could have been prevented easily if their parents didn't oppose it.

[Inoculator9]

I hate people that do that, it's just a disgusting to me that someone would refuse to help their own children with a simple advil or sudafed.

[Caid Ivik]

Jehova witnesses are specific sect. What you have against Rhombur? He was cyberned because he nearly died. Cybernetical improvements saved him. But we can became also like Zoal or Scytale...

[Anathema]

Hey I've nothing against Rhombur- go cyborgs!

[Caid Ivik]

Wasn't there a part in the bible that said humans should not interfere in any way with the human body?

I don't know about such nonsense. You mean judge Samson and his consecrated hair?

[katnip03]

I think taking painkillers and such is completely fine, I just hate it when people give their kids those drugs to 'settle them down'. They are kids, they are meant to be hyper and crazy. If you are going to have children, be prepared for them to be loud and obnoxious, don't just get some fancy drug to make them settle down.

[Anathema]

I don't know if there was such a thing in the bible- I never read it. I just heard about such a thing. But we do have people here that refuse their children basic medical treatment for religious reasons.

[Inoculator9]

I don't think cybernetics were very prevelant at the time of the bible.

[exatreide]

I think taking painkillers and such is completely fine, I just hate it when people give their kids those drugs to 'settle them down'. They are kids, they are meant to be hyper and crazy. If you are going to have children, be prepared for them to be loud and obnoxious, don't just get some fancy drug to make them settle down.

not really if it is interfearing with there school work,job, or needed to alow them sochil interaction its fine....

but the parents who pump them full of them just becouse they are to busy to care about there kids are the promblems...

[Inoculator9]

Parents can't just give their kids drugs and ignore them, that's neglect.

[exatreide]

I mean the rich parents...Who have better things to do than sit down and talk with there kids...or talk with them at all...Thinking oh he just has a chemical imbalence and needs some drugs...bla bla bla....When the parents are often to blame..

[Inoculator9]

Yeah, some people are satisfied just to blame everything on a chemical inbalance.

[Caid Ivik]

I don't know if there was such a thing in the bible- I never read it. I just heard about such a thing. But we do have people here that refuse their children basic medical treatment for religious reasons.

Do you know, how much variants of Bible translations were totally banned because much sects disused them for their own purposes? Anyway, in Psalm 14 is written: "There is no God". But read whole psalm and you'll find out, how can somebody disuse some word of Bible by taking some words out of concept.

[Inoculator9]

When you have a book as large, and well known as the bible everyone who really goes in and reads it is going to interpret parts of it differently. The bible in places can be very vague and unspecific so there is a lot of room for interpretation.

[Caid Ivik]

Much times they use these verses harder to translate overthrown to negate right messages of Bible. Bible has nothing against cloning (they just think it's an attack against human respect), but against embryo research there is one very important verse: "Thou shalt not kill" - Ex 20,13.

[Anathema]

"Thou shalt not kill" - not kill in general? Not to kill plants or animals?

[Caid Ivik]

These ten terms were given to humans to tell them how they have to behave to other humans. Human is spiritual lord over all unintelligent lifeforms, but equal to other humans.

[Inoculator9]

An embryo isn't really human. And if we followed the commandments we wouldn't kill anything. Because genetically speaking an embryo is the base for everything, and our DNA is very similar to animals.

[Caid Ivik]

Human embryo is human, genetically 100% same. If people before 2500 years understood it, you can't? Experiments with that are bad and sinful. Human is trying to play God.

(neserte ma, lebo...poslem anjelov! >:( )

[DjCiD]

hey what does that mean? the different language stuff? IM me if its bad (dont wanna lock the thread ;D)

and i agree the only reason ppl are thinking that a human embryo is not a human is because they were spoon feed that idea....

[Acriku]

Who spoonfed me that idea? As far as I know (and I could be mistaken) I made that decision myself.

[DjCiD]

well just because its your decision doesnt mean its right... (but then again same goes for mine too :P :D) and as far as I know (but i may be mistaken) i'm sure media or teachers from school maybe in a science class or some sort had a hand in the spoon part... :- its the same line they tried to feed me... ;D

[Acriku]

Well my science classes did have an influence on my decision, but the only way to get rid of influence is go to a secluded island and play Cast Away.

[DjCiD]

oh i love that game!!! one time i made fire and did a dance :P :D