Largest country/empire

[Caid Ivik]

Why call it Union then? Long live the Imperium!

[Anathema]

Eurasian Dynasty O0

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[Dunenewt]

They barely managed to save Western Europe! It was a wonder that the Soviets did not get more countries. You can't blame Churchill and Roosevelt. If it wasn't for American nukes, Stalin could have mopped the floor with them without much effort.

That's what the Normandy landing was all about - getting allied troops as far east as possible, to prevent the Red Army from marching all the way to the Atlantic.

Europe came very close to being unified after World War 2 - under the Soviet banner.

Aren't we forgetting the best country - which would of benn taken over?

The UK that is. And France would of fought back with the UK's help eventually - even without the USA's help.

[Edric O]

The UK put up a brave resistence against the nazis, but that really drained all its resources. It would not have been able to survive against the soviets. After a few years of economic blockade, Soviet troops would have been marching through London.

And France wasn't in any shape to resist any invasion - as you can see from the way the allies liberated it.

[nemafakei]

The Nazis did not succeed when they put all of Germany's effort in. Britain was weakened, but by the time the Red Army would have marched to Berlin, they'd still have France to conquer - which would take some diplomatic time, to avoid more foreign intervention. Moreover, with the Germans gone, the British Empire and Navy would hve been able to keep the UK going for decades. Remember this useful little se, the Channel... it's rather difficult to invade across it, and the red soldiers would need some other help.

[Edric O]

The nazis did not succeed because of Hitler's abysmal stupidity. Opening a second front was a ridiculous decision.

Britain's only salvation in the face of a fully-soviet Europe would have been its navy, I suppose...

[Acriku]

Even masterminds become slaves to power.

[Anathema]

Hitler made a lot of strategical screw ups, but he was hardly an abysmal idiot.

The navy would have stopped a naval invasion and prevented the Soviets from transporting troops to the British isle- but the Soviets probably would have started to make terror bombings at London and other towns.

[Caid Ivik]

Actually, Churchill was a good politician, but Britain was only a bridge of US forces to Europe. War was won primarily by USA and Soviet Union. Hitler's mistakes were God's mercy ;D It was nuclear bomb, which prevented commies from expanding.

[Anathema]

Nukes- everybody should have one :D ::)

[Edric O]

That would be a M.A.D. world, Earthnuker...

From a military point of view, Hitler was an abysmal idiot. From a moral point of view, he was evil incarnate.

No war in human history was such a clear good/evil conflict as WW2. I truly think the allies won thanks (at least partially) to God.

[Anathema]

Hitler was evil, but there are a lot more evil people who never reach what he had accomplished, because they aren't as shrewd and charismatic as he was.

(well, charisma is a strange issue with Hitler, since he posed the ideal of man as tall and blond and he was a black haired dwarf)

[Emperor Harkonnen]

Stalin was more evil than Hitler.

[Caid Ivik]

That would be a M.A.D. world, Earthnuker...

Every civilised nation should have it. It would make our culture invincible. Our culture evolved to peaceful, and addition of nukes would stabilise it forever.

[Anathema]

But wich nation is civilised and wich not?

[Caid Ivik]

That's the hardest question. Civilised nation is self-reliable, rich, able to more export than import, peaceful, democratic and with advanced culture.

[Edric O]

Civilised nation is [...], rich, [...]

Ridiculous!

[Anathema]

For once, I agree with Edric ;)

peaceful

The americans are not civilised then?

[Caid Ivik]

Open your eyes, people! Don't you think rich, productive countries are more civilised than i.e.african deserts? ;) No country is fully civilised, but USA are close to be so. They are large country now, economicaly strong, and they want to remain to be it.

[Edric O]

Don't you think rich, productive countries are more civilised than i.e.african deserts?

No. They only have higher standards of living, but they're just as barbaric as every other form of government in history.

[Sardauker-Kirov]

I agree with Edric, every country has his own style of being a barbarian.

[Acriku]

You guys know how big the US is? It's bigger than most European countries, and being the way it is in just over 200 years it would have to be highly civilized. Civility is the opinion of its own society. Some Americans may think some African tribes are very barberic, while some tribes may think America is very barberic in that it cuts a layer of skin off every morning (shaving), sits down and watches tv and has no physical bearing whatsoever, etc etc. Goes both ways.

[Caid Ivik]

We are part of euroamerican culture with specifical ethic and value codes, which we use in valuing other cultures. Most countries adopted euroamerican philosophy, so they can be compared with it. With this view I don't see 3rd world civilised.

[Edric O]

Let's see, could that be because... WE KEPT THEM ENSLAVED FOR CENTURIES?????

And now you DARE blame them for what we have done to them and their culture! >:( >:( >:(

[Anathema]

"so they can be managed by it"

I'm not sure what you mean.

Euroamerican philosophy? Why can's some country be different and civilised?