Star trek

[desert_storm]

Have any of you watched the new star trek series latley?  Do you like where it is going.  It seems that they are sticking to the same major plot epesiod after episode insted of spreding the major events out like in other series.  Just woundering what you think?

[Andrew]

Getting better, but it seems that most episodes have some form of the future sequence etc.

So basicly history is being rewritten all the time.

I mean they introduced the borg?? How low will they get?

[Terror]

Yeah i have seen a couple and i think they're pretty good. Fun thing is that new technologies like transporters and phasers are being introduced. On the other hand ofcourse this enterprise ship looks way more modern than the constitution class starship featured in TOS and the constitution is way more modern in the time line. But I can't blame them. The first star trek is so old. They just tried to do their best and I am enjoying it so no complaints here.

[Andoreion]

Hm.. it's not too bad. I mean, they should stay from time travel, and the cast isn't all that appealing to me, but it's still Star Trek ;)

They have yet to come up with anything that tops Deep Space 9, though  ;D

[Jack Leaf]

Star Wreck is better.  :P

[Timenn]

I have mixed feelings about the Enterprise.

1) The acting is quite good. They are really acting like kids exploring a new world, which shouldn't be so surprising seeing the the place of the serie in the timeline of Star Trek

2) That same acting makes it, though, that you can't really like a certain character, because none of them show any strong chararestics (like in DS9, still my favorite)

3) I don't really agree with that everything looks more modern then in TOS. I take the fact that those series were recorded decades ago into consideration, and remember that Klingons for example looked just like humans there, because they hadn't invented the new make-up back then. And for example they don't even have the classical shield technology (they encounter an enemy specie once which does have them)

4) There are not many good episodes, but then, DS9 started with the real stuff also in 4th season (with some good double-episodes in season 3) And I read that int the third season of Enterprise they encounter something new (no Andrew, the Borg one  is a single episode which should not have been made, because it isn't believable)

5) In the future there isn't spoken of this first Enterprise. Take the DS9 episode Trials and Tribble-ations. In that episode there is said that there are 6 Enterprises. Those were the following: (I have hidden them, because this might contains spoilers)

[hide]U.S.S. Enterprise, destroyed by James Kirk in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock.

U.S.S. Enterprise A, I think they just retired this one years after Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country.

U.S.S. Enterpirse B, introduced in Star Trek: Generations I think they retired this one normally too.

U.S.S. Enterprise C, introduced in Star Trek NG: Yesterday's Enterprise, this one was destroyed.

U.S.S. Enterprise D, introduced in Star Trek: The Next Generation, destroyed in Star Trek: Generations.

U.S.S. Enterprise E, latest Enterprise, introduced in Star Trek: First Contact.[/hide]

That are all six, I can't find the prototype one they use in Star Trek: Enterprise

But maybe they come up with a reasonable explanation for that, after all, everything is possible in Star Trek ;D

So that concluded that I have to view more of the serie before I can really say how good this new serie is, but I doubt that they ever come close to what DS9 was...

[Anathema]

I've seen only a few episodes and if anything, it's better then Voyager. But DS9 is still my favourite.

[EWS]

I think this fits in as it is not really an Enterprise.  The others were all NCC-1701 (letter) USS Enterprise.  This is Enterprise (i cant mind the number of by hand).  Maybe in the final episode they might explain why this does not show up on the timeline (other then the obvious!)

[gryphon]

don't prototypes get the designation of NX ?

Making it the NX-1701, and not the NCC-1707 enterprise ...

And the 6 Enterprise ships you are refering to are correct Timenn.

[ fot those of you who are familiar with the world around Star Trek, the NX is not an X ship designation introduced in the second part after TOS ]

Got a few seasons of Enterprise on my harddrive somewhere. . but to be hounest. . I never watched more then a few of them...

[Wolf]

Deep Space Nine was the best Star Trek series, with The Next Generation being a close runner-up.

About the Trials and Tribble-ations comment;

When Dulmer and Luclsy (the two temporal agents, notice how both their names are anagrams for Scully and Mulder) talk about the Enterprises, they do it in a funny way.

Dulmer: Which Enterprise, Captain, there have been five.

Luclsy: Six.

At this point in Deep Space Nine, the Enterprise-E had not yet been introduced into the Star Trek universe. We can assume that, after the destruction of the Enterprise-D, it took some time to either build or commission the new Enterprise. With that being said, Dulmer and Lucsly obviously would not count the yet-to-be-commissioned Enterprise with the Enterprises of the past.

Therefore, we can assume that when Luclsy adds that there were "Six", he actually refers to Enterprise NX-01. So, why did Dulmer have the number of Enterprises mistaken? Because Enterprise NX-01 is not a Starfleet ship; Starfleet, and the entire Federation, for that matter, has yet to be created in the time of Star Trek: Enterprise. So, we can assume that Dulmer's mistake is actually quite easy to make, as he was counting only Federation Enterprises.

Sisko, also, makes the same mistake, it seems. As he answers, "The first one..."

[Timenn]

You may be wrong about that they didn't knew about the Enterprise-E. Because the episode Trials and Tribble-ations must play between stardates 50049.3 and 50416.2 (in the present time, not the 23d century one :P)

while Star Trek: First Contact plays at stardate 50893.5 which is quite close. But in that movie, Geordie mentions that the Enterprise-E is in space for nearly a year. Assuming that a year earlier the stardate would be around 49800.0 which would mean that the DS9 crew was well aware of the new Enterprise.

And for the release dates:

Trials and Tribble-ations aired somewhere in 1997, that means that the episode was recorded somewhere in 1996. In that same year Star Trek:First Contact was released, so that means they were busy with the movie during the production of the Trials and Tribble-ations episode.

Well, it could be that they made a mistake in that episode, but they should have been aware that there was a new Enterprise. And I think the option that they didn't knew back then that a new serie was coming with the "first" Enterprise in it. Because they had just started with airing Star Trek: Voyager

Nice thing about those anagrams :) I didn't knew about it.

And yes gryphon, NX seems to be used for prototypes. The Defiant (love that ship) for example, was named: U.S.S. Defiant NX-74205

[Caid Ivik]

I find this shiplist very accurate...

http://www.cs.umanitoba.ca/~djc/startrek/expand/federation1.html

[Timenn]

Wow, thanks for that list! It's a great one...

It's nice to see so much ship models you once have encountered in an episode, but never seen after that one.

[Wolf]

I suppose you would be right Timenn, I definately cannot argue with stardates, despite their often seemingly-arbitrary assignments.

Though, if we want to make the comments made in the episode coherent with Enterprise (something a lot of Star Trek fans have been doing with a lot of what goes on in Enterprise), we can still say that Dulmer and Lucsly are referring to "old" Enterprises -- ships that have either been decommissioned or destroyed -- and do not count the new, sleek, sexy Enterprise-E...

And, yes, you would be right about the Enterprise-E being "in service" around the same time as the DS9 episode; I think there were references to the Enterprise-E having fought in the Dominion War...

Edit, or we could say that they just count Starfleet ships when they're talking about the Enterprises in the episode. There's lots of places you could go with it.

Further, op-topic Edit; does anyone other than me really dislike this "temporal civil war" crap?

[ordos45]

There are some novels out that had the Enterprise-E in the Dominion War.  And yeah I dislike the Temporal Civil War crap, but it doesn't mean I'm not using it as justification in a fic I'm writing when I screw up a timeline item. :)

[Caid Ivik]

Dominion War? I should watch those things after DS9 series... Isn't ST turning to war-space like Babylon 5?

[Wolf]

With Enterprise? Yeah. But, when DS9 did the whole war bit, it did it with style, and at least had the same philosophical, societal, and political points that made Star Trek Star Trek, as opposed to what we've seen recently...

[Dunenewt]

Enterprise is amazing, unfortunatly I never seem to catch it when it is on anymore.  Malcolm is the best character for obvious reasons...he's British.

[Lord J]

I watched Enterprise before I went back to college, and it was...alright.

  By the time I got back, I was several episodes behind, and I really didn't care that much anyway.

  When it comes out on DVD I will probably finagle my way into a copy, but for now I'm not really concerned.

  I saw a few of the actors from Enterprise at the Star Trek convention I went to last year.  Let's just say I like thier characters better ;)

[sneezer3]

The Enterprise?

www.nitpickers.com If you go their and look it up you will find tons of flaws in it.

Its ok with me really. But I like smallville a lot better. I guess it just depends on who you are.

[TMA_1]

my dad hates it, as he is probably the biggest star trek fan I know, good grief he knows everything about that universe, it is basically his "dune".lol

I dont like it, and not because of the acting, though some of the characters inherently bother me. I think that they horribly messed up the timeline. I mean there were a few enterprises before the ones shown on the show, one for example is shown in a picture on Star Trek The Motion Picture in the Rec Room (which is cool that they added it). The first captain of the Warp Capable enterprise is not who is shown on the series. They totally skipped the Romulan-Federation wars which happened not long after warp capability. The spieces of klingon in power at the time were the "flat heads", and not the ridge heads shown on the show. They introduce a weird alien doctor, when in reality the first aliens that worked with the federation came in a a bit farther into the future, not at the time the show is set in. The Vulcans are displayed horribly, though from what I have read I did like how they showed them as somewhat arrogant, which is partially true from the books and info from the shows and whatnot.

I could go on, it just bothers me. See, I wouldnt be so hard on it if they didnt try and follow the series, but they do try and fail miserably. Just dont like it.