exatreide Posted July 25, 2001 Posted July 25, 2001 i know earth is in the dune books but the just call it old Terra. what happend to earth? did the sun go nova is it still there just ignored. what is happening there.
ordos45 Posted July 25, 2001 Posted July 25, 2001 Possibly destroyed during the Butlerian Jihad. *whaps computer....thinking machine*
quoudam72 Posted July 25, 2001 Posted July 25, 2001 Why is something always happening to the planet Earth in science-fiction? It's either invaded or destroyed or polluted.
Mahdi Posted July 25, 2001 Posted July 25, 2001 I don't think it ever actually says what happened to earth in the Dune chronicals, however in the DE its a park.As for why bad stuff often happens to Earth such as polution in sci-fi, there are 2 reasons.1) It makes things seem worse, so the hero seems better2) Because Earth will most likley suck in 100-200 years.
Digital Guerrilla Posted July 25, 2001 Posted July 25, 2001 It doesn't Mahdi but in God Emperor of Dune Leto makes a reference to Earth in the Stolen Journals page 131.
quoudam72 Posted July 31, 2001 Posted July 31, 2001 Ever think about how many light years Dune is away from earth? I mean it is in another galaxy a different solor system didn't Arrakis have aleast 2 moons? Just wondering. Pulls out his literjohn to ponder his own questions once again.......
ken Posted September 1, 2001 Posted September 1, 2001 Maybe, with the several transformations and advances in the society, the human forgotten the Earth for the old history... for shame.
damiok Posted September 4, 2001 Posted September 4, 2001 But in Chapterhouse they talk about the old ways or something like that (in the first chapter or alittle after I think)
Duke_Atreides Posted September 7, 2001 Posted September 7, 2001 Maybe, with the several transformations and advances in the society, the human forgotten the Earth for the old history... for shame.Np, because there many mentions of the old terra people and ways, you have the Odrade mention o House of Cordeville,in ChoD you have Ghanima remembering about an ancient babylonian Priestess, but is true that the only ones who mentions that things are the ones who have another memories, not the common people.
ken Posted September 22, 2001 Posted September 22, 2001 Duke, where this in CHoD? Can you tell me to I check, please?
ordos45 Posted September 22, 2001 Posted September 22, 2001 [shadow=red,left,300]TEXT[/shadow] Let's see the Tyrant reffered to old Terra quite a bit but he never said what happened. Â Given the year in even CHapterhouse it is likely the sun did not go supernova.
exatreide Posted September 23, 2001 Author Posted September 23, 2001 it will take 4 billion years  for are sun to go nova. 4 BILLION YEARS!!!!!!
Acriku Posted September 23, 2001 Posted September 23, 2001 I'm perfectly happy it takes that long, because if it took less, and it went nova during my lifetime, I would be crying my soul out while watching the horror among me.
nemafakei Posted October 1, 2001 Posted October 1, 2001 It could have been nova'd by an external force. I'm thinking something on the lines of guild folding space into it and messing it up or something.
quoudam72 Posted October 1, 2001 Posted October 1, 2001 The Guild folding space into the sun!!!!! Causing it to go nova!!! The horror, what a thought. :O
exatreide Posted October 1, 2001 Author Posted October 1, 2001 um i dont think that could happen. the guild ship would just be burned to a crsip.  i dont think it would make the sun go boooom. and by  nova i mean expand not go boom. the only way to do that is to somehow burn all its fuel or remove the fuel.  if a guild ship landed in a sun it dose not remove all the fuel there for it cant go boom.Easy as eating pancakes.
nemafakei Posted October 2, 2001 Posted October 2, 2001 Depends. Obviously a navigator wouldn't fold into it directly, but may have gone through 'in passing' - not literally, but managed to displace a load of sun fuel when only partially inside a fold-space (errr... what's the word for it...) road (?).At a guess.
quoudam72 Posted October 4, 2001 Posted October 4, 2001 That is kinda what I thought you trying to say Nema. I know the Guild uses points throught space and time to make their trips and the way you have presented it made me wonder if it could be possible. That is unless there is something I'm not understanding about the way the Guild travels completely. I understand what you are saying Ex but Nema's idea intrigues to a certain extent.
Timsvs Posted October 10, 2001 Posted October 10, 2001 umm, well i think it's with da computers, and the people of the future in Dune, trying to forget about them seeming they were evil or something like that. But it's like the year 10,000, it's a long time away...so they probably forgot the real name of our planet, that being Earth. Earth was probably over populated or somethin' just like in every other Sci-fi..even though it's a good estimation of what earth will really be like in a few thousand years. All in all, Earth=Evil Computers=Evil. That's why they got rid of them, and now have Mentats.
quoudam72 Posted October 11, 2001 Posted October 11, 2001 Also Timsvs humans were too depended apon the computers. There were those who felt that humankind were threaten by this dependence towards "thinking machines". And the end result was the Butlerian Jihad but even as Maud'Dib says in Dune Messiah it (the Butlerian Jihad) also destroyed vital information needed by destroying some computers.
Timsvs Posted October 12, 2001 Posted October 12, 2001 currently i am reading Dune:Messiah, and i came over a passage in the book, where Skytale is talking about the "golden" age on Earth. Page 42, or 32 something like that. It's only for one sentence or two, however it's still cool.
nemafakei Posted October 13, 2001 Posted October 13, 2001 The Great Convention followed the Butlerian Jihad, yes? And it banned Nuclear weapons use on people. Perhaps this ban was in retrospect of an event in the Jihad which involved a lot of deaths by nuking... Which would probably have happened on Earth.Although I think that not even FH decided what really happened... so there cannot be a 'correct' answer anyway.
quoudam72 Posted October 16, 2001 Posted October 16, 2001 We can still speculate about the reasons until The Butlerian Jihad series hits the shelves.
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