Navaros Posted August 30, 2003 Author Posted August 30, 2003 btw can whatever Mod who keeps changing the title of this thread please knock it off? it's not funny
Jack Leaf Posted August 30, 2003 Posted August 30, 2003 Navaros' post limit is ridiculous. It should be removed... I don't understand why it shouldn't be removed.
playerap Posted August 30, 2003 Posted August 30, 2003 well if thats all ur gonan say ... Gob obviously doesnt want to change it seems like to em ur just tryign to start contraversy nuke thread
thomas Posted August 31, 2003 Posted August 31, 2003 :-X :- :'( 8) ??? ::) :P :-[well subject says all :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o ;)
Dunenewt Posted August 31, 2003 Posted August 31, 2003 I don't think anyone should have a post limit but instead just be banned.
mechadragon Posted August 31, 2003 Posted August 31, 2003 Here is my personal opinion: Gob gave me a post limit for no *good* reason. His main reason was because a guy who he likes asked him to limit me, so he did.This is a gross oversimplification, and a further example of why you deserve it. Gob would not have done so if he did not agree, and if others hadn't complained about you before I. All I ever had to state was that what you did daily was no better or different than GUNWOUNDS. I never even had to look at PRP to cite this. AFAIK Gob holds no special favor to me.You would like to think this to be some kind of personal vendetta, but it's not. Spam is obviously a matter of interpritation to most of you. It reminds me of an old quote "Good is what you like, evil is what you don't like". Simply put, if you didn't waste so many of your posts bitching about everyone while praising yourself, you wouldn't be in this situation. With a post limit, you have much less freedom to corrupt the board with your egomaniacal whinning.If you want your post count lifted, start showing signs of improvement. Stop compalining about Lowzeewee, becasue Lowzeewee does not control your behavior and has nothing to do with you. Lowzeewee is in the same boat as you and for much the same reason. You made this bed that you lie in.Keep in mind that you don't have 0 per day limit like others. You are still here and therefore still have the chance to have your limit completely removed. Bitching about it is not going to help that cause any. Attacking Gob isn't going to help. Attacking Lowzeewee has gotten you nowhere thus far. And attacking me is just downright futile since I don't care what you think of me.If you would like for me to advocate your post count be lifted, then listen to the honest criticisms of your behavior and learn from them. There are several good criticisms of you here, but you would rather flame them for thier honesty.I have said before that you are a good poster "when you choose to be". Choose to be such more often. Flame less, talk more.I agree with ACElethal, that a post limit is not the best solution. But I highly doubt that any mod would want to sift through your posts and replace all flames with the term "pink fluffy bunnies" in every insatnce.
Navaros Posted August 31, 2003 Author Posted August 31, 2003 mecha, you are wrong on the follow points:1. i am nothing like Gunwounds. that is the guy who illegally hacked and stole thoxen's and about 30+ other people's accounts on WOL in order to aid himself and his cheating clans. he is prone to committing illegal activities and is wayyyyyyyyyyyy worse than i have ever been or ever will be. to compare me to him is a moral outrage.2. Gunwounds was being stupid and flaming everyone because he got off on it. i only flame people who flame me first. so if i am to be punished for that, then those who flame me first should likewise receive the same punishment as me. fair is fair. besides that, Gunwounds is a mean-spirited prick (as i've already provided enough evidence for in this post so far, tho i have tons more...) and i am not. i only get into arguments when i have a justifiable reason for doing so.3. i don't attack loweezee to help my own self. it is just grossly offensive that i am put in the same boat as him (and until recently, he was getting away with his incessant spam scott-free!). that is an unfair application of discipline. i never spammed up this site with garbage like loweezee does on a daily basis and has been doing so for over a year, therefore any punishment should have been dealt out to him *first*, and much heavier than any that was to be given to me. since this did not happen, that is an injustice - and i will stand up against all injustices regardless of whether or not it helps me in any way to do so (like how I stood up against the immoral acts of the Landsraad against ExAtreides - for doing that now i'll probably *never* get in the Landsraad - but standing up against the injustice is more important than my own self-interests)4. you and a few others confuse my "taking a Christian view of things and posting my honest opinion" with "flaming". those are two very different things, when i post it is to help people by telling the Truth no matter how unpopular the Truth may be. not to make fun of them for the sake of making fun of them.
Seal89999 Posted August 31, 2003 Posted August 31, 2003 Navaros, you SHOULD have a post limit considering notice how everytime you post you amazingly manage to normally piss off 1/2 of the total returning-members? My thoughts exactally.....
mechadragon Posted September 1, 2003 Posted September 1, 2003 I'm talking about GUNWOUNDS obnoxious arrogance here at FED2K. His behavior on WOL is irrelavent to this situation.Finally, stop blaming your "Christian view" for all of this. No one except you has said anythng at all about religion. I could care less what faith you hold too, it's no excuse for the daily flame fests that *you* participate in.
lowzeewee Posted September 1, 2003 Posted September 1, 2003 Nav is running out of words to say...Mecha,stop this now!Or else he is going to go crying "Mummy,where are you?" ::) :D ;DNav,we are talking about you,not anyone else,not ME,not GUNWOUNDS,YOU.Get that?YOU!Stop beating about the bush and ignoring our questions(s).
Nyarlathotep Posted September 1, 2003 Posted September 1, 2003 Nav is running out of words to say...Mecha,stop this now!Or else he is going to go crying "Mummy,where are you?" ::) :D ;DNav,we are talking about you,not anyone else,not ME,not GUNWOUNDS,YOU.Get that?YOU!Stop beating about the bush and ignoring our questions(s).You could try to respect what the originator asked, instead of spamming his thread..
Navaros Posted September 1, 2003 Author Posted September 1, 2003 I'm talking about GUNWOUNDS obnoxious arrogance here at FED2K. His behavior on WOL is irrelavent to this situation.Finally, stop blaming your "Christian view" for all of this. No one except you has said anythng at all about religion. I could care less what faith you hold too, it's no excuse for the daily flame fests that *you* participate in.even at Fed2k, I am nothing like Gunwounds. he started fights for the sake of starting fights. he made personally derogatory remarks to everyone, like saying ExAtreides' parents need to kill themselves. i never resort to saying anything deeply personal like that! do not forget, unlike Gunwounds, i only fight when someone instigates against me in which case i defend myself. but are the instigators ever punished? no. just me. you don't talk about religion in *this* thread because you want to convenientely "sweep under the rug" the fact that i discovered you hate me only because i do not sugar-coat or dilute my Christian viewpoints in any way. you realize that it was a mistake for you to let me discover that because it makes your "case against me" less appealing to the other members here, so you try to keep that as a "dirty little secret" and instead scapegoat me for "flamefests" which do not exist (or if they do, *i* am not the one who started them).
Caid Ivik Posted September 1, 2003 Posted September 1, 2003 Navaros used to make "flaming fests" against specifical groups on WOL, but after he returned, such actions ceased, so it seems such arguments aren't useful. Anger over Gunwounds was a just cause: his posts shined more (I would say only) aggressive emotions than rational arguments. And even if Nav is confrontative, he is at least rational.Anyway, MechaDragon, you consider yourself as a nav-expert? I don't see you often here...
mechadragon Posted September 1, 2003 Posted September 1, 2003 you don't talk about religion in *this* thread because you want to convenientely "sweep under the rug" the fact that i discovered you hate me only because i do not sugar-coat or dilute my Christian viewpoints in any way. you realize that it was a mistake for you to let me discover that because it makes your "case against me" less appealing to the other members here, so you try to keep that as a "dirty little secret" and instead scapegoat me for "flamefests" which do not exist (or if they do, *i* am not the one who started them).I didn't talk about religion in the other thread, that would be *you* yet again. The only thing you have *discovered* is the your religion makes a convienient scapegoat for you. Either way, if you wish to feel that you are a martyr, more power too you, but stop trying to change the subject. It doesn't matter if you start a flame fest or not, you are still in it, and you still know better. If someone makes a personal attck on you, report them to those in athority, don't put yourself in the wrong.Caid: As far as my not posting, it doesn't mean I'm not reading. I'm not argueing any point, I'm simply not going to allow Nav to manipulate events to make himself seem a victim. He flamebaits, not flames outright. He makes inflammatory statements and waits for others to attack him. As a prime example, in the other thread, he resorts to calling me a "sodomite" when he can make no arugement in his defense on the subject of his beahvior. Here again, he's more interested into pulling a question about his actions into a debate over his religion. Whether or not I am a sodomite has nothing to do with Navs post limit, it's just his way of trying to start a fight with those he doesn't like. If it makes him feel better to picture me as a sodomite, more power to him. It's still irrelavent, and I could care less what he thinks of me.Simply put, Nav is not respectful of all members of the board. Until such a time as he can control himself and be respectful of others, he should have a post limit. If you don't agree, that's fine. But you don't have to be a Nav expert to find examples of why he has it. The powers that be have decided to give him the limit, and have reduced it further since my initial urging. The descisions are in thier hands and not the court of poular opinion.Lowzeewee: I belive that you have a limit as well. Is it such a wise idea to contiune to impose yourself into this conversation while under the same scrutiny? I am sure that the community knows how you feel in this issue, and your further statements are not constructive. It becomes the pot calling the kettle black. You fuel Nav by replying to him, giving him the platform he needs to claim martyrdom. If you have nothing further to contribute, please stop. I'm not trying to hurt Navs feelings. Casting this issue in that light is counterproductive to my intent. Stop giving him room to turn this into a personal attack.
lowzeewee Posted September 2, 2003 Posted September 2, 2003 Just keep this in mind,nav.The following is a commandment you have broken several[actually many many] times against me in this thread[in many other threads as well].Harassing, threatening, intimidating, or discriminating remarks toward other members will not be tolerated.
Duncan_ghola Posted September 2, 2003 Posted September 2, 2003 bah, who follows those rules anyway i see them being broken in nearly every topic, by fed2k staff even by you lowzee against me
Navaros Posted September 2, 2003 Author Posted September 2, 2003 loweeezee, for the *MILLIONTH* time, don't post in any of my threads, ever! your spam (ie: every post you ever make!) is not welcome in them!to mecha: you being a Sodomite has *every* relevance to this discussion because that is the *real* reason why you hate me, and that is the *only* reason why you hate me. you hate me because i post God's Truth about your fate and the fate of all those of your kind even though that Truth is not "policitally correct" or even necessarily popular. all your other claims against me are merely "Red Herrings" to masquerade the one and only real reason for which you wish to have me silenced.i don't know why you think it makes me happy that your eternal soul is damned. i can tell you honestly that that fact brings me no joy at all. calling you what you are does not make me happy. it makes me sad that you are on the wrong path. but that does not mean that i will start lying to you and telling you what you want to hear even tho what you want to hear is a falsehood. i will always speak the truth, even if it is unpopular or offensive, even if Gob will limit or ban me for it. it is in *your* best interest that i speak the truth, and everyone else's, although sadly you'll probably never realize that since you're so caught up in your raging hatred for me because of what i stand for (namely, a Bible-believing Christian)furthermore, i am not "disrespecting" you by telling you the truth. it is in your own best interest that i speak the truth to you even if you hate me for it. this situation is akin to a parent who calls his daugther a junkie who is going to die; his daughter being a heroin addict. for him to speak openly about the truth of her predicament is not disrespecting her. it's helping her. if she is so caught up in her own evil paths and self-destruction to *understand* that the father is *helping* her with his blunt words - then that is not the father's fault. the blame lies with the daughter. so too in this situation does the blame lie with you, mecha. you wish to silence me because i speak the truth to you. but me speaking the truth is not wrong. you trying to silence me for helping you is what is wrong.
Dante Posted September 2, 2003 Posted September 2, 2003 I take back what I said, you're rarely ontopic Nav.
Navaros Posted September 2, 2003 Author Posted September 2, 2003 I take back what I said, you're rarely ontopic Nav.*you* hate me for the exact same reason that mecha does, and *only* that reason. therefore you do not have a legitimate opinion on this issue. *your opinion* here is offtopic, as is mecha's. you are both acting out on a personal vendetta against me for being an uncompromising Christian who tells God's Truth about Sodomites. *that* is what is offtopic. since that is the only reason you both wish for me to be silenced, there is nothing offtopic about me saying so in a thread about me being silenced.
nemafakei Posted September 2, 2003 Posted September 2, 2003 "like saying ExAtreides' parents need to kill themselves"Nav, how is that different to you declaring that members of Fed2k should be executed?"bah, who follows those rules anyway i see them being broken in nearly every topic, by fed2k staff even by you lowzee against me "If you have a complaint agains a moderator, address it to the mod in question, and, if that fails, contact Gob. Lowzeewee was indeed right to point out that section of the rules.The fact remains that just because one person breaks the ruules in one place, the rest of the community is not released of their obligation to abide by the rules.
Duncan_ghola Posted September 2, 2003 Posted September 2, 2003 doesnt flaming break the rules? why dont the moderators put an end to it before it escalates, and lowzee bringing up those rules is hypocritical
nemafakei Posted September 2, 2003 Posted September 2, 2003 So, nav, you're saying that anyone who has a reason to hate you has no valid opinion on the matter? Well, that will discount a good deal of the population of fed2k, leaving only the ones whom you have not annoyed. Why do I think that you'll never be convinced of anything by further discussion?"why dont the moderators put an end to it before it escalates"Why not indeed.
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