Acriku Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 Here is a "small" list of the victimizations of christianity...http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htmYou probably will be disgusted after reading this, I know I was, so don't worry - it is normal.
DukeLeto Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 lol, it would seem the whole Christian Theory of Conversion® is "Convert or Die".
Acriku Posted April 14, 2003 Author Posted April 14, 2003 Might want to check your car for bombs tomorrow morning Duke ;)
exatreide Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 acriku you dont have to diss religion. Your getting all militeristic athiest on us.
Navaros Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 that site is very biasedyes, a lot of Christians did that. but pagans were even worse. and everyone did that, not just Christians. Jews and Muslims did that too. it's giving a distorted picture to put a link to a site that singles-out Christians like they are the only ones who did thatplus, gentle Christian priests used to be murdered just for stating their opinion to people of different lands. they were carved into lil bitty pieces while they were still alive. that is why Paladins were invented, to protect good Christian priests from getting butchered by savage freaks of other religions
Acriku Posted April 14, 2003 Author Posted April 14, 2003 Ex - in this thread, solely, I am conscerning christianity - alone. And it was for the curious, not for everyone. Arohk - welcome to my thread :) This site is very unbiased, and very objective. It was conscerning christianity alone, so it obviously is going to only conscern acts committed by people of the christian faith. Pagans were even worse? Oh ok, then I guess christianity is fully-sanctioned in these acts and is vindicated from all of these acts. Yep, this thread is no more - it was fully in the christians' right to do these killings, murders, and beheadings... You are confusing my purpose of this thread - the purpose of this thread: The purpose of this thread, for those who are curious, is to enlighten others, that are previously-said curious, about acts that people of the christian faith have committed, where their faith is directly responsible for these acts, drawn out by those with their faith, conscerning christianity alone. Now that you know my purpose of this thread, your claims are irrelevant to the purpose of this thread. So to further post these claims, you will be not only be taking this topic offtopic (for the second and further time), but ignoring my purpose of this thread - stated previously. It is against the rules, and I hope you committ to them as a registered member of this community, with the conscerned rules applied. You are, however, fully welcome to defend christianity, by presenting to us claims that conscern people of other faiths and beliefs killing christians in the same manner people of the christian faith did so to other people of other faiths and beliefs. Speaking of carving people into "lil bitty pieces while they were still alive" - The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
Navaros Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 some feedback:maybe you should make your thread titles more clear so as people know what it's purpose is, otherwise they might not
Acriku Posted April 14, 2003 Author Posted April 14, 2003 The title is for "grabbing the reader" - just like a title of the book "grabs the reader" (well, most of the time, some just can't find themselves in interesting titles). The purpose of this thread is found when you open the thread, and read my opening post.
Egeides Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 To me, it's of an idiotic simplicity: for religious or areligious beliefs, many are ready to kill, force others, etc.And if atheism gets real strong and some see everything else as "subversive", then we'll get the same. Marx' communism was symptomatic of this I guess.But religion/moral can also be interpreted in a way that accepts to see different points of view and can bring marvels. Humans with strong beliefs, depending on their individual choices, can bring marvels or destruction.
Acriku Posted April 14, 2003 Author Posted April 14, 2003 Again, confusing the purpose of this thread. It was not that christianity is a "killing" religion (which it seems it is, but that should be in another thread), it was just for those who are curious. Some are curious about Hitler's mass killings. Some are curious about christianity's mass killings.
Gobalopper Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 What exactly are you trying to say Acriku? There are people with extreme views in any section of society and sometimes people do the wrong thing or don't follow what the Bible says. Are you trying to infer that because people have done horrible things in the past that Christianity is wrong or are you just trying to get a reaction out of certain members here?
Caid Ivik Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 Can you make a number of victims of the pagan or atheistic strikes on christians?
Edric O Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 The funny thing is that the vast majority of those "historical facts" have nothing but sketchy evidence to back them up. Many are just pure speculation.In fact, there's probably more evidence for the existence of God than for over half of those claims, Acriku.Now, Acriku, find me a group of people - ANY group older than 100 years - which never commited any atrocities in its history.And do I need to remind you of the mass slaughters and brutal oppression done in the name of your beloved atheism?
Egeides Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 Edric, could you give some exemples of their speculation please? I've just read a few things pretty fast and saw nothing really surprising or unknown.
Edric O Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 For example:- As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.- Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.- Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues.- Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians. Number of Jews slain unknown.None of the above statements is backed by anything other than wild speculation. And there are many more. I did exagerate in my previous post, though. After a closer look I noticed that they are in fact not speculating as much as I thought. Rather, they are using every possible excuse to beef up the numbers of crimes, blowing them out of proportion and completely out of the historical context. Basically, it doesn't matter that it was a common practice by any ruler in the Middle Ages to kill thousands of people on a whim, it only matters when the name of Christianity is accidentaly invoked. I am truly disgusted by how low and despicable these people are in their quest to cause hatred and anti-religious fervor.They remind me of Hitler's speeches blaming Jews for every evil in the world.Can atheists do nothing but hate?
Anathema Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 Acriku you're getting pathetic. These days you seem to do nothing else then searching the web for material you can use to discredit religious people. I don't know where this obsessive hate for religion in you comes from and frankly I don't care, but it's time you grow up because it's offensive and annoying.
emprworm Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 the most amazing thing is: despite all those deaths over the course of almost 2000 years, they STILL do not add up to even a fraction of the murders committed by the single atheist: Mao Ze Dong.evidence that athiesm breeds murder, corruption, and vile baseless retribution like no other world view that has ever existed.it is amazing...that one single atheist, can kill more people than every "christian" who has ever lived on the face of the earth COMBINEDvery good evidence of the moral superiority of Christianity over atheism.
IxianMace Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 So you are going to base your opinion on Atheism solely from the actions of one Atheist? I guess if 1 apple in a barrel is rotten, the rest should all be thrown out as well!
emprworm Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 So you are going to base your opinion on Atheism solely from the actions of one Atheist? I guess if 1 apple in a barrel is rotten, the rest should all be thrown out as well!where were you to tell Acriku that Christianity is based on the actions of some idiots? I'm using the same hatemongering logic. Dont' chastise me and exhonorate Acriku with this doublestandardAtheism is capable of unbelievable murder and atrocity. And this capability has been shown through action.As Acriku puts forth his data, I put forth mine, now repeated.One single atheist, can and has killed more people than every "christian" who has ever lived on the face of the earth COMBINED
IxianMace Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 where were you to tell Acriku that Christianity is based on the actions of some idiots? I'm using the same hatemongering logic. Dont' chastise me and exhonorate Acriku with this doublestandard.Sigh, I didn't mean to chastise you, no offence intended. Acriku puts forth his data, you put forth yours, that is fair and square. Just because I don't openly voice my opinions against Acriku doesn't mean that I agree with them. :OFrom this, I'd have to conclude that Christianity and Atheism are both capable of the same thing, regardless of whether or not one has done more damage than the other. Therefore, they're both just as good or bad as the other, and I see no reason why one should be victimized over the other. However I'm getting tired (as an Atheist) of being slammed along with all other Atheists just because of the actions of one or more Atheists. If a good majority, or all Atheists were all demonstrating their so called brutality and desire to kill, then I could understand how people could come to believe that Atheism is a negative influence. However, Atheism may still not be the cause for the actions of all the people. Sorry if it appeared like a double standard, that was not the purpose.
Warlord Ripskar Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 - As soon as Christianity was legal (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.- Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.In the war between Brittania and Kent the forces of Ambrosius and Artorious were christian whilst those of the Saxons were Pagan. The Saxons were slaughtered repaetedly from 460 to 490 so yes there is evidence for christian - pagan conflict in this time.
Edric O Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 However I'm getting tired (as an Atheist) of being slammed along with all other Atheists just because of the actions of one or more Atheists.I understand that, IxianMace... But how do you think we Christians feel when atheists call us filthy subhuman trash because of the murders commited centuries ago by people we have nothing to do with?Did I start this topic? Did Emprworm start it? No, ACRIKU started it. Are we posting topic after topic to bash atheists and gloat over how much better we are than you? NO. Does Acriku do that to us? YES.
Dante Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 Some Aethiests are almost religous in their belief that there is no belief anyway. :)
DukeLeto Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 the most amazing thing is: despite all those deaths over the course of almost 2000 years, they STILL do not add up to even a fraction of the murders committed by the single atheist: Mao Ze Dong.Hello?! Did we forget the 10 million done by a single Christian: Adolf Hitler. Duh... ::)But, one man doesn't represent the whole group. Mao Ze Dong no more represents all of Athiesm than Hitler represented all of Christianity, or than Stalin represented all of communism. ::)
IxianMace Posted April 14, 2003 Posted April 14, 2003 But how do you think we Christians feel when atheists call us filthy subhuman trash because of the murders commited centuries ago by people we have nothing to do with?Well there is no need to fight fire with fire if you find someone annoying. I guess Acriku just feels strongly about his beliefs (or lack of it). Can I just say that both religions have people that will feel strongly about their belief, and will sometimes go so far as to downgrade other religions. My main point is that just because one Atheist committed atrocities etc, etc, it doesn't mean that all Atheists are like that. Given that, I'll have to be fair and say that not all Christians are like other Christians that may have committed atrocities or what not. Does Atheism state that if you are not an Atheist, you should be killed? Does Christianity state anywhere that if you an Atheist, you should be converted or killed? If the answer to both of these questions is no, then wouldn't it be safe to say that it's not the religion that is the cause of the problem, but the individual opinion/fanaticism of the person or peoples involved, which leads them to do what they do, or have already done?
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