Apollyon Posted December 1, 2002 Share Posted December 1, 2002 its way more complicated than that the way the shield works is to deflect things that travel at a certain speed so that only slow moving objects (blades and such) might penetrate. Laser weapons dont bounce off instead they cause nuclear meltdown due to the holtzmann effect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowzeewee Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 In Emperor House Ordos tried to convince the Sardaukar the Emperor FREDERICK IV was still alive, not Shaddam.Yup they used the ghola and the ghola then admitted when he was threathened and the emperor was called Frederick IV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 In the Butlerian Jihad it tells you how they got the shield, and what it did. I won't bother to look up the page, but it's mid-to-end. Think of the shields from Stargate SG-1, which were ripoffs from Dune anyways, and they couldn't touch the wearer with bullets but they shot an arrow and went straight in, which wouldn't happen in Dune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Sadukar Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 well, the energy shield would render many things useless. but look:Energy shield will require energy input, If you shoot enough stuff at it, it overloads. boomEMP, emp== no more shieldsconcusion weapons, make mashmellow out of shielded targettank tracks, sqashfancy scifi quatum weapons, tunnel though space into the shield, and spash !there are a billion way to defeat the shiled without knife.May I ask you a simpel question?DO YOU KNOW ANY THING ABOUT DUNE AT ALL!?!?!?!?It dosn't seem that way to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 In Emperor House Ordos tried to convince the Sardaukar the Emperor FREDERICK IV was still alive, not Shaddam.Wrong. The ordos mentat calls him Shadam and not Frederick. Plus in the Dune2k manual there are refereces to emperor Shadam IV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 Maybe they had no idea to make something like it. About House Ordos - even their homeworld is "unknown". So maybe they were over any action. Tleilaxu (Ordos biggest ally - or servant) invaded Ix. Emperor wanted artificial spice. Why? Ordos lost any chance of conquering Dune, so they changed Emperor with a perfect ghola and attacked Ix to gain technology. There they remained. Remember Leto II and arafel? God Emperor crushed all Ordos plans, so they were trying to end with it once at all. I'm sure Hwi Nori was their spy. Or saboteur... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowzeewee Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 Ordos is still going on strong.They were not crushed by anyone else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 But they were composed to Duniverse, as they were. At least it was true on first sign. But de facto they became stronger... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timenn Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 That is true, but that were (stupid) errors WW made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted December 2, 2002 Share Posted December 2, 2002 Altough those are errors, Dune II is still the best... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowzeewee Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 ;D ;)Dune 2000 is better.It looks better :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inhuien Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 You two HAVE read Dune, haven't you?If not, it's difficult to explain the technology.Nema I Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 The reason for the Fremen wielding only crysknives is because that's the only weapon they could find, or make. And they were highly religious so it kept them limited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 The reason for the Fremen wielding only crysknives is because that's the only weapon they could find, or make. And they were highly religious so it kept them limited.Crysknives are also very sharp and light therefore more effective than metal daggers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Well one drawback is that a crysknife breaks more often than a well made metal dagger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Teeth are lighter than metal, but I don't think it's stronger. Steel can cut tooth. When you would block a metal dagger attack, it would break the kris. And if we imagine steel after 25 millenias... Of course, Shai-Hulud can have also harder teeth. Also, what is in Dune said about armor? I don't remember nothing from FH's books, maybe there was something in prequels?And, off-topic, why you write "crys" when every dictionary shows "kris"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 cyrs is how it's spelled in the book.FH does mention armour. Sheilding made it obselete, but it is stillused occasionally, such as in Children of Dune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 So, when you have some adamantine full plate, I don't think little knife would scratch you ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 So, when you have some adamantine full plate, I don't think little knife would scratch you ;DAdamantite armor does not exist since adamantite is really a stone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Clovece, ved je to jedno.I ment adamantion one of the best armor metals from Master of Orion II, but also if you'll have nice granit shirt, kris won't penetrate it. Really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Clovece, ved je to jedno.I ment adamantion one of the best armor metals from Master of Orion II, but also if you'll have nice granit shirt, kris won't penetrate it. Really.Just steel armor would work fine, but you still can't protect your head, unless you wear full mail and even then it can just be taken off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technocrat Posted December 5, 2002 Author Share Posted December 5, 2002 Clovece, ved je to jedno.I ment adamantion one of the best armor metals from Master of Orion II, but also if you'll have nice granit shirt, kris won't penetrate it. Really.Just steel armor would work fine, but you still can't protect your head, unless you wear full mail and even then it can just be taken off.Hello, that is not a middle age knight's full plate, that is a year 10000AD full plate, I mean, you can't just take it off ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 Especially if it's under shield. Sardaukars had helms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technocrat Posted December 5, 2002 Author Share Posted December 5, 2002 Especially if it's under shield. Sardaukars had helms.helm does not help against knife, full plate does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilVirus Posted December 5, 2002 Share Posted December 5, 2002 A knight in full plate is clumsy. He can be just bashed over the head with something heavy until he passes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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