Ligic_Tha_Master Posted March 7, 2002 Share Posted March 7, 2002 Gob saves the world!!Well atleast the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted March 7, 2002 Share Posted March 7, 2002 What? Lig...Anyways, back to religion ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted March 7, 2002 Share Posted March 7, 2002 One of the problems with that is, for Atheists, agnostics, etc in countries like the UK, people are counted christian when they're not. Legally, I am of the Church of England. Since I was 4, I decided not to believe in such things.eg on that page: "... If one eliminated from the total number of Christians in the world all those who are counted as Christians only because they identify themselves as such in a survey or census, even though they never actually attend Christian services, study Christian literature, or make behavioral changes based on Christian teachings beyond general societal norms, one might obtain a ..." You get the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted March 7, 2002 Share Posted March 7, 2002 Isn't the Church of England Anglican? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobdouds Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 We should start a new religion/cult based on dune and Gob as our leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunseng_Harkonnen Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 Like those people who made Jedi religion tru religion.Dune is better than Starwars, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobdouds Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 So true, Starwars is just a crappy short story, where as Dune has so much more depth and history to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ligic_Tha_Master Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 Worship Gob, for he has the power... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardauker-Kirov Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 He is our Bringer of enlightment. he is the Angel that Puts evil in the Ban jail, Hail to the Executrix.. Baron.. Emperor.. Supreme Commander. Of the Fed2k. * Salutes Marine style * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 Look if you guys are through trying to put your bids in for the next staff/moderator position could we get back to the topic of religion? ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 What I want to know is how people that are Christian could have friends, and at the same time "know" the friends are going to Hell. Wouldn't they have to doubt their religion in order to be best friends with someone going to Hell? Just seems strange to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edric O Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 Man, I go away for a few days and everyone starts worshipping Gob... ;)If you're starting a Dune Religion, I'll be in charge of Missionaria Protectiva. ;DBack on topic:My God, atheism is in 4th place on the world religions listing? This is VERY bad... again, I see a bleak future for mankind. Maybe it'll inspire me to write more in Godlike (the small novel I'm writing).But even WORSE, Scientology has 750k victims... uh, adherents. What is this world coming to? :(Nema and Acriku: We really can't know how many "greedy" christians there are, because we don't have anything like a survey. You can't speculate on their number. But you might notice that Pascal's Wager is a total failure as an argument, so that suggests the percentage of "greedy" believers is very low. Personally I've never met one.Notice that many charitable organizations are Christian. Does Mother Teresa ring any bells? (I'm tempted to say Saint Teresa, even though I'm not a Catholic) But I've NEVER seen or heard of charity being done in the name of atheism, humanism, secularism, etc.Acriku, the New Testament is what defines Christianity. We share the full OT with the Jews and parts of it with the Muslims.Christianity is "the fulfillment of Judaism". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 Yes, it (CoE) is anglican... my point was that while I was CoE at the age of 3, I am no longer... but I am still a 'registered member', since I can't move to a church of atheism - there isn't a proper one.Edric, religion does not have a monopoly on charity. You also misrepresent the figures... since by definition, you can't do something in the name of atheism as you can in the name of some god. More charities than not are 'agnostic'... they don't do things to please a god or whatever, they do it because it is right.Religious charities have religion in their names or wherever for one of 2 reasons... 1 - They want to please their god (Greed?)2 - They want to promote their god in the world, i.e. propaganda3 - They are actually of good intent, and the founder decided to bring their relgious community together by making the charity (which they were going to make anyway) in the name of the particular religion.Thus, religion itself has no REAL effect on charitability etc for the good of being good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edric O Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 Actually, having non-christian friends has nothing to do with doubting whatsoever! What made you think it does?So I know my best friend is going to hell. Does that mean I stop being friends with him? NO! It means I try to lead him to the path of Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 Edric, think of it, priests tell little children incentives to stay Christian, e.g. Heaven, does that not make the little kids become greedy of this Heaven? Also, you say Scientology has victims? Try the Christians using their whole life worshipping something they have no idea exists. Try the Christians killing themselves hoping to get into Heaven, only to find themselves 6 feet below and no where to go. Victims of early impressions, victims of lies, of masked good. And just what do you mean Christianity is the fullfilment of Judaism? (Yes, I still get offended, because Judaism is a way of life, not just a religion - like Christianity). Explain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edric O Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 Those little children will grow up and greed will no longer be a factor... If greed was the only thing keeping them christian, chances are they'll just turn atheist.Priests also give advice as well as they can and help their community.Scientology is the only religion I do NOT respect. It has victims because its members are required to pay money and follow insane restrictions. Recently the Church of Scientology gave all its members a free CD with computer stuff, including Netscape. They also incorporated a censorware program into the browser which could not be removed. This program banned users from viewing certain sites - the ones that criticize Scientology.YOU show ME a Christian that kills himself to go to heaven, THEN we can talk about it.Masked good? How is charity and love EVIL? What about all the christian aid organizations? What about nice priests that support their community??? WHAT DOES ATHEISM OFFER? NOTHING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edric O Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 I did NOT mean to offend Judaism. Far from it. I respect Jews as our only "allies" and as God's ancient chosen people. Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism because it fulfills the ancient prophecies, it's as simple as that.Atheism equals death as far as I'm concerned. It has NOTHING, except the acceptance of death. If you feel fine believing your life is a meaningless fluke of nature and you'll be worm food in a few decades, go right ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 "chances are they'll just turn atheist"Why? Greed still exists, and they've been indoctrinated to believe that there is a heaven... The point was that religion promoted/promotes greed, not the (so much) other way round."YOU show ME a Christian that kills himself to go to heaven, THEN we can talk about it."St... what's his name... the guy who protected the priest by pretending he WAS a priest. He effectively did so."How is charity and love EVIL"They are good things, but misused, sometimes as propaganda."Priests also give advice as well as they can and help their community."So do solicitors, and plumbers, and civil servants."It means I try to lead him to the path of Christ"Ironic - I have a catholic friend I'm currently bringing around to logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edric O Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 Tut, tut, Nema... you're making WAY too many assumptions. You have no clue as to why do religious aid organizations have religion in their names, so you can only guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 "If you feel fine believing your life is a meaningless fluke of nature and you'll be worm food in a few decades, go right ahead."If you wish to delude yourself that you really are special to an overgrown superstition, and when you die, you'll be transported to a wonderful place where everyone's happy, go right ahead.If your priorities lie in allaying your fears, fine, be religious. Mine lie in the truth.Religious charities:I'm merely suggesting other reasons by which to explain the pheneomenon of more religious charities than not. These are reasons that could fit, therefore your point is invalid without further logic to support it. That's why I posted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 What I was offended by, was that you assume you are right and that Judaism can not stand on it's own pillars without Christians holding it up. My fellow friends at my Synagogue think Christians to be crazy, ignorant, and plain rediculous. How are we your only allies? We are a different religion and do not "back you up" on your "truth". And yes, Jews are God's Chosen People. So what are Christians? Not is what they are. Since when do Atheists not accept death? And in 100 years, I will be rolling over in my grave laughing and remembering how you found out your life is a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 "Since when do Atheists not accept death? And in 100 years, I will be rolling over in my grave laughing and remembering how you found out your life is a lie. "Poor Edric. I'll be laughing too. With my body given to research though. No graves for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardauker-Kirov Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 Hey watch it Tleilaxu researcher your touching my spline, :) I think praying to god is sufficient, Some of my Christian friends said you are "very" loyal to god if you donate money to the church. Man, The future is getting Insane. :-X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordos45 Posted March 8, 2002 Author Share Posted March 8, 2002 I actually go work on my mock yearbook and you all worship Gob!? Anyhow I am back and full of fire. www.creationseminar.net go to "its a young earth" section. Also if u really wanna argue goto www.religioustolerance.com a very intollerant message board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobdouds Posted March 9, 2002 Share Posted March 9, 2002 Ah Edric. The one who keeps religion together. I still stand by my Dune religion with Gob as our leader. Join me and we will slay all others. Hail Hitler, I mean Gob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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