Andrew Posted February 11, 2008 Author Share Posted February 11, 2008 That looks to be as good as a protest as the one closest to me (3 hours away).Maybe 10 people. The screenshot is crap because it is from a screencap of facebook video.No one even posted it on the forum. I had to use bugmenot to do it, and no one has even replied to the thread. :(I love how scientology is calling these demonstrations "religious hate crimes". Protesting = hate crime. OK.Next protest is supposed to be March 15.EDIT:Scientology chick going crazy and spitting/hitting protestors. It is rumoured that she got arrested.and for whatever reason, Scientology press releases are saying that Anonymous are a bunch of nazis. Literally.“I think FOX News did a good job at exposing the intent of these guys, honestly,” Shank asserted. “The hate crimes of Anonymous should be condemned. This is a country that is free, and I don’t want people that believe and follow Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto as their Bible.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egeides Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Dunenewt: I guess that some old-time members got pissed off and did that (all scientology things are on the net). With their orientations, I think they're bound to attract lots of people with your set of mind. Looks to be what is going on right now. I wonder how it was all organised to come out so suddenly and simultaneously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted February 12, 2008 Author Share Posted February 12, 2008 I wonder how it was all organised to come out so suddenly and simultaneously.Scientology took down the famous video of tom cruise on youtube. This made lots of internet people angry. They responded by spreading it along with lots of other info. Then they decided to go to war with Scientology, and organized protests.Although I agree this was very impressive for only being planned within the last month. Those crazy 4chan and ebaum people can do anything. Internet mobs are not to be messed with. They'll find out where you live, what school you go to, and your phone number within a day. I saw one person who was cheating (selling invites on ebay) on a private torrent tracker, and they were phoning his house within 48 hours of the admin making the original thread about it.Nowadays with facebook/myspace where people put their info online, it is very easy to target people.EDIT:French Scientologists Arrested in Italy - Three scientologists kidnapped a person last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakgab Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 If people have to support stupid absurd things like scientology, and have time to protest against RELATIVELY minor things like scientology, then don't they have time for meaningful protests? Honestly, start a dumb cult and you have thousands of members in no time. Try to organize a socialist movement for better rights for the lower and middle classes and no one cares. alas.It seems easiest to convince people of stupid things. Or maybe it's just that such organizations know their ''ideals'' are absurd so they excel at brainwashing, propoganda,e.t.c. Perhaps these are the only effective means of gathering support nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Egeides, Scientology isn't just online, it has buildings all over the world. Apparently they protested on the Sunday because it was the anniversary of a woman's death whose murder was linked to Scientology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner154 Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 I'm starting to feel fortunate that I'm not witnessing something as ridiculous as this in Singapore. At least not yet... you'll never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted February 12, 2008 Author Share Posted February 12, 2008 It was Lisa MacPherson birthday last Sunday during the protests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted February 13, 2008 Author Share Posted February 13, 2008 :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 Haha where did you find that? It will be interesting when March 15th does come, to see if more people are protesting, or whether people will have lost interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted February 13, 2008 Author Share Posted February 13, 2008 Found it at BoingBoing.net.Yes the next protest will show if anonymous has moved onto other stuff. I'm guessing the next protest will work, but after that it wont happen as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted February 13, 2008 Share Posted February 13, 2008 It would be good if they kept on going until the Church of Scientology was no more, but I fear it will just be a fad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edric O Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 If people have to support stupid absurd things like scientology, and have time to protest against RELATIVELY minor things like scientology, then don't they have time for meaningful protests?That's because Scientology is just one issue. It's easy to organize protests on a single issue, be it Scientology or the War in Iraq, since it's easy to find a large group of people who can agree on one single thing. It is much harder to find a large group of people who agree on many different issues.Not that it really matters, because protests, by themselves, never change anything.Honestly, start a dumb cult and you have thousands of members in no time. Try to organize a socialist movement for better rights for the lower and middle classes and no one cares. alas.I know. :( It's all about recruiting methods, though. Scientology is a dumb cult, but it quite possibly has the best recruiting methods of any organization in the world. That's why it's so much larger than any other dumb cult.It would be good if they kept on going until the Church of Scientology was no more, but I fear it will just be a fad.Right, but you can't bring down Scientology through street protests. Protests can simply be ignored. A better approach is to create social organizations dedicated to informing people about Scientology and reducing the number of victims recruited by the "Church." Scientology thrives on the money of vulnerable people. If we could cut off their supply of vulnerable people, we would cut off their funding and they would wither and die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 The more and more people that disassociate themselves with Scientology the better. I wonder if the CoS will release any counter propaganda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner154 Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 They might just take it to the court with their heavy wallets. Money can buy existence, sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 "If we could cut off their supply of vulnerable people"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner154 Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 My bad. I was responding more so to Dunenewt's comment on counter propaganda. Admittedly, that too, could come about without much of a wallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneakgab Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 ''That's because Scientology is just one issue. It's easy to organize protests on a single issue, be it Scientology or the War in Iraq, since it's easy to find a large group of people who can agree on one single thing. It is much harder to find a large group of people who agree on many different issues.''Definetely true. The magnitude of the suggested change probably plays a role to. It's easier to convince somebody to go decaf for the day than for his whole life, even if both decisions have the same benefit-effort ratio.However, I have never (to memory) even heard of a protest or anything on the like on even a single socialistic issue. Well, unless you count worker unions. Maybe it's more accurate to say that I've never heard of a protest against exploitative legislature.There may be something there as well; people seem more willing to protest against a group or against a particular action than against a law.''Not that it really matters, because protests, by themselves, never change anything.''It seems the primary use of a protest is showing popular supportdisagreement (for lack of a better word). It can be important because it's easier to convince somebody to take action on something if it appears that there are already many working against it. It's hard to get anyone to join you're cause if you are the only fighting it, because nobody wants to expend effort on hopeless causes.''I know. It's all about recruiting methods, though. Scientology is a dumb cult, but it quite possibly has the best recruiting methods of any organization in the world. That's why it's so much larger than any other dumb cult.''I suppose these methods only work on stupid and/or insane and/or desperate people though. Perhaps the latter-most category has little actual significance here since the hefty entrance fee for the scientologists excludes the non-wealthy. On that matter, it is interesting to see the success of their recruiting methods considering how small their ''target market'' (the sufficiently rich) is. Since these methods are most likely aimed at the stupid and/or insane, this speaks ill of the rich. Perhaps their success is actually a matter of the income per indivual rather than the number of people recruited. Some stats could be useful (not that I'd know where to find them)Unfortunately, I imagine that the recruits for socialist (and other justified movements) movements would mostly require recruits with a reasonable level of intelligence, rendering the methods of the scientologists useless to us. We could otherwise learn from their methods. Could always start a cult of you're own. Lol. The revenue generated off the backs of rich fools could be used for better causes. I have lately entertained the idea of less than ethical means of procuring wealth, assets, and manpower for better causes.''Right, but you can't bring down Scientology through street protests. Protests can simply be ignored. A better approach is to create social organizations dedicated to informing people about Scientology and reducing the number of victims recruited by the "Church." ''An awareness campaighn, basically. Requires funding and publishing. The latter might not be hard to obtain, given that the media takes opportunities on popular issues for the sake of their ratings. As for the former, how much money would be required for simple ad campaighns and the like.There are possibly better concerns and uses for that money, effort, and time though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted February 14, 2008 Author Share Posted February 14, 2008 Sorry to spam but this website is funny :)http://www.frostyiceco.com/Making fun of the undercover Scientology van. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Gotenks absorbed Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 People's stupidity reaches no limit... Although I guess thats understandable for Tom cruise, he's an idiot and a psychopath, remember when he was jumping off of chairs on the Opera Wihnfrey show, and he was shouting that he loved who do you call it... his wife, kate or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 I don't understand how someone so famous, and so in the public eye, could be allowed to be influenced so badly and brainwashed. Anyone seen the Family Guy episode when Katie Holmes manages to escape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted February 14, 2008 Author Share Posted February 14, 2008 I think katie holmes went missing for a weekend when they first started dating. I remember reading that somewhere on some tabloid.But a definite fact is that katie fired her longtime publicist and hired a publicist that is a Scientologist.In bad news, partyvan.info was destroyed today. It might be back up later.also some dumb anon posted a video stating they were going to bomb sci buildings. Probably sci propaganda to try to prevent protests. - sci was rickrolled in person. The 5 sec clip was put on national news.Anon sure is silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Why/how was partyvan.info destroyed? Did Tom ever eat the placenta? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 I just searched on Google for partyvan, and got this at the bottom:In response to a legal request submitted to Google, we have removed 1 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read more about the request at ChillingEffects.org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted February 14, 2008 Author Share Posted February 14, 2008 Hmm, looks like partyvan will be back up. At least with some mirrorshttp://partyvan.info.nyud.net/index.php/Project_Chanologyhttp://partyvan.eu/wiki/Project_ChanologyHmm, I don't get any notice when searching for partyvan. Read that notice you linked and it makes sense. Those websites are pretty crazy. I don't recommend going to them.fox news did a special labeling them terrorists and showed a van blowing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted February 14, 2008 Share Posted February 14, 2008 Okay, this whole Anonymous thing is getting as creepy as the CoS the more I read...anyone else get that impression? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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