Fed2k Ladder Rules

[GhostHunter]

I have been selected for the job of making and instituting the rules for the new Fed2k ladder system. I however have not finished the battle clan aspect and that is soon to come. Regardless, there are some rule changes from the WOL rules that I feel you should read over. (The 7th dash being a MAJOR change, I think you'll agree with me).

Tournament Game Play Rules

Quick Match

[Navaros]

funny how you Vilgent want to twist Westwood's Rules to your own intentions and scrap the Under 3

however, i am pretty sure Olaf's code includes the Under 3 Rule just like WOL does.

so what the heck are you planing to do when people use the Rule and hence the game does not get recorded? wait til the guy who gets quit-on comes to this board and says:

"'_________' cheated on me by quitting Under 3! please Vilgent, tell everyone how much of a cheater he is now!" ::)

unless i am totally Out to Lunch about Olaf's code and it does not include all WOL Rules such as Under 3, but I'm betting that it does. not only is what you propose here immoral [taking away Official Westwood Rules you happen not to like], it's also impossible to execute.

EDIT: Vilgent, at the present time, the post below my post here does nothing to address the question of "WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT" when someone quits under 3 and the game is not recorded?

[GhostHunter]

Nav, Gob and myself agreed with me on this, and I think I have the Emperor community's backing on this. The only reason you should quit under three minutes is if the lag is unbearable, live with these rules and live with rushing and maybe you'll be somewhere close to a elite.

Now, regarding the allogations of twisting the rules, yes I did that to help benefit gameplay, you don't like them Nav? Don't play them, no lose for me, or any of the Emperor community unless we need a online version of the village drunk...

So now, please stop spamming this thread so real questions and comments can come in from players, thank you.

EDIT: And about your thirty second coding, it most likely can be done. If it cannot we will go back to the three minute rule but so far I can dictate that it can be done as easily as the three minute aspect.

[Gobalopper]

The game details are sent regardless of what time the game lasted. It is not hardcoded into Emperor but a setting on the ladder server.

[Gobalopper]

Since Nav was complaining I will clarify and say these are only suggestions in a draft form. They will be voted on.

[zamboe]

30 secs to 1 minute should be enough to determine that the game lags or no, sometimes games lags for a few seconds just to resume good speed after a while, 30 sec to 1 minute, would do. btw don't forget that server seconds are not always equal as real seconds.

[GhostHunter]

Thanks for the reminder, wouldn't want 30 seconds to be 1.5 ;D.

[Harkdawg]

30 secs - 1 min is perfect. U can clearly see will the game lag or not in that time ( thats for what WOL made the 3 min rule ). So nav, i already have a smile on my face , i see all the upcoming threads "OMG WOL was 3 minutes so should this be" u gettin ure punk a$$ kicked.

And not even for once u dont think its cos u cant just use Atreides, but its the " 3 min rule ".

[Harkdawg]

funny how you Vilgent want to twist Westwood's Rules to your own intentions and scrap the Under 3

Oh and Nav, i think ure the only one who thinks that way. Everyone else is happy with 30 sec.

[GhostHunter]

Thirty seconds is ideal, the quickmatch includes pre-built, thus withen about 10 seconds of the game start you should get a clear feel for the game speed depending on unit building time, movement time etc, the extra twenty seconds would to be to think it over. And yes I had a smile when I wrote that rule Dawg, you have no idea how much pleasure that gave me. ;D

[zamboe]

Thinking it over, 1 minute should be.

[Navaros]

And yes I had a smile when I wrote that rule Dawg, you have no idea how much pleasure that gave me. ;D

no doubt. it figures that everyone and anyone who royally ****SUCKS**** [it would be impossible to emphasize properly the Infinite Degree to which all such people suck] at Emperor, has ZERO conception of Strategy or Micro, and can do nothing other than press the tier 1 unit icons endlessly along with TT and PP. then pat himself on the back thinking that such mindless and skill-less keyboard mashing and ILLEGAL forced-exploitation of Emperor Design makes him a "good player", would take pride in declaring himself "God of Emperor" and arbitrarily attempting to invalidate the OFFICIAL WESTWOOD RULES because HE SUCKS TOO BADLY TO BE ABLE TO DEAL WITH THE OFFICIAL WESTWOOD RULES.

so rather than get some actual real skill and learn how to cope with the Official Westwood Rules, he makes up his own Emperor-balance-bastardizing/ruining "Rules" to make Emperor a defiled shadow of the way the Designers intended it to be. yes, i can see why such a skill-less newbie and his entire cabal of fellow equally-skill-less newbies followers would take pride in such a depraved, disgusting, and immoral act of self-gratification.

[Harkdawg]

LMAO @ NAV big time ;D

Oh boy, were all such a mindless creatures pressing 1, YET such a great KEYBOARD WARRIOR NAVAROS who micros, greats devastating stradegic plans cant beat the mindless number 1 pressing creatures. Not only that, he hides behind " 3 minutes to see if there is any lag, not the i get quit in 3 if i cant beat my opponent" rule.

I dont recall a situation where i was to quit under 3 just cos i didnt want to take a loss because i played crap, yet without abusing the rule i still was number 1 - how can that be if atreides cant win without ABUSING 3 min rule???? , nor do i remember any other good atreides player ever complaining about it, did u ever hear D3k say "omg i cant win without 3 in rule" yet he was also Atreides Champion and not once.

Everyone made it to the top without ABUSING THE RULE WICH WAS MENT TO TEST LAG, EVERYONE I SAY, EXCEPT OUR DEAR BELOVED NAVAROS.

AND STILL HE DOESNT REALIZE THAT THERE ISNT ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE GAME, WICH HAS BEEN PROVEN OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THAT THE PROBLEM IS IN HES ABILITY TO PLAY THE GAME - THE LACK OF SKILL HE HAS. Even worse, from the EVER COMPLAINING NAVAROS, has become a HYPE FULL NAVAROS - Who in addition to hes complainings, is trash talking all over the board that he is the god of emperor.

PS! Dear KEYBOARD WARRIOR NAVAROS u can stop sending me messages, i never read ure messages the last 2-3 uve sent me ive deleted directly. But u always give me a good laugh when i read the Title of the message "Stop flameing me u jealous guy"..... ya dont say, ROFL.

[Navaros]

harkdawg, in response to you flaming me with every post I ever make anywhere, along with this thread in particular, i'll just respond to you this one time:

you were never number 1. in case you forgot - and i'm sure none of us from the old Westwood board forgot since that's where your cheating was proven with stats and screenshots during the course of several different months - you got to "number 1" by using multnicks such as harkdawg/wingstun7 to sabotage the ranks of good players who you couldn't compete with. and to top it all off, you even illegally pushed your rank by playing 5 fixed games in a row vs. yourself with multinicks such as fr3men/zardaukar. who did you *cheat* out of number 1 that time, Cerb was it? or kebab? maybe ACE or any other oldtimer can recall exactly. although it doesn't matter, because you were proven to be using the exact same "tactics" in the months to follow so you could cheat your way straight to the number 1 ladder slot again and again.

if *I* did those same exact things that you did, then i would have been "number 1" on the ladder every month, same as you. but unlike you, i always got to the top of the ladder without ever multinick cheating, and without playing fixed games vs. myself to illegally push my rank to number 1. you can't say jack to me about anything.

if those other guys you mentioned were idiots enough to take losses that they didn't have to, that's their fault for being stupid. it doesn't mean they weren't good, just that they were accustomed to taking unnecessary losses like only a moron would. i am not accustomed to losing like all those guys you mentioned, and evidently, nor am i as stupid.

btw, it is ***IMPOSSIBLE*** to lose Under 3 unless you are stupid enough to stay and allow an invalid game to metamorphisize into a loss. how well anyone played Under 3 is totally irrelevant if any Quit occurs for ANY reason, and that's *EXACTLY* the principle upon which Westwood developed the balance that all Official Emperor gameplay is based on, and always will be despite any ILLEGAL Rule bastardizations by newbies

[Timenn]

Can we get the thread back ontopic?

And without flaming each other!

[sarb]

30 seconds will be fine with me.

Great idea Im all for it

[sardcore]

sarb! u dog does this mean u gonna start playing?

[DjCiD]

Meet in the middle not three not one but two minuets.

There, I'm happy? Two is more than enuff to test the lagg-ness but not so long that as soon as you scout certain peoples base the "Invoke the 3 min rule" and quit. ^-^

[Harkdawg]

make it 1:30 :)

[exatreide]

how bout 10? ;)

[Ice_Cube]

I think it should be one minuite :)

[exatreide]

i like ten though, it makes everybody happy! :'(

[DjCiD]

Ex do you even own a copy of Emp anymore? ???

Ten mins is ridiculous. This needs to be taken seriously.

Vil maybe you can edit the first post and take toll of all the suggestions and the later have the poll.

[Harkdawg]

It should be once u enter the combat there can be only one winner, but i understand that u might not want to play with heavy lag so the time should be as little as possible so that it wouldnt get abused like WW's 3 min.

[Apollyon]

I think 1:30 is about right.