Who's the Next Victim of USA's Destroy and Conquer Campaign?

[Gobalopper]

Why doesn't the American Empire invade Israel, a racist murderous regime which clearly has weapons of mass destruction? Because they GAVE THEM those weapons, and they are America's bridgehead in the Middle East.

So America should start supporting countries like Iran or Syria instead? Palestinian's are indoctrinated to hate Jews and people like Saddam give their families money if they become suicide bombers. When was the last time Israel used their WMD? When was the last time Saddam used them?

Why doesn't the American Empire invade Saudi Arabia, a fundamentalist dictatorship that executes people for heresy? Because they have immense amounts of oil, and oil is obviously far more important than innocent lives.

This is confusing. You say they won't invade because they have oil yet you bash the US for invading Iraq for that exact same reason.

(I will henceforth refer to the USA as the American Empire, which is a far more appropiate name. They should make it official, declare themselves supreme rulers of the world, and get this charade over with.)

Who would you rather control the world? China perhaps? Or better yet why not allow Islamic terrorists to kill everyone who doesn't want to follow their religion.

[Edric O]

So America should start supporting countries like Iran or Syria instead? Palestinian's are indoctrinated to hate Jews and people like Saddam give their families money if they become suicide bombers. When was the last time Israel used their WMD? When was the last time Saddam used them?

No, the American Empire should not be supporting either side. They should remain neutral and work for peace, assuming that's what Bush really wants.

This is confusing. You say they won't invade because they have oil yet you bash the US for invading Iraq for that exact same reason.

It's very simple, actually. The Saudi government is an evil dictatorship with lots of oil who is PRO-American. The Iraqi government is an evil dictatorship with lots of oil who is ANTI-American.

Therefore, the Saudis are friendly allies and the Iraqis are dark enemies. ::)

Who would you rather control the world? China perhaps? Or better yet why not allow Islamic terrorists to kill everyone who doesn't want to follow their religion.

How about we give every nation the right to rule itself?

[Dude_Doc]

Why doesn't the American Empire invade Israel, a racist murderous regime which clearly has weapons of mass destruction? Because they GAVE THEM those weapons, and they are America's bridgehead in the Middle East.

You're wrong. America and the UK gave the jews a new chance. They gave them support for rebuilding their country. I suppose you would love to see all the jews killed in gas chambers instead...

Why doesn't the American Empire invade Saudi Arabia, a fundamentalist dictatorship that executes people for heresy? Because they have immense amounts of oil, and oil is obviously far more important than innocent lives.

Oh, really?

(I will henceforth refer to the USA as the American Empire, which is a far more appropiate name. They should make it official, declare themselves supreme rulers of the world, and get this charade over with.)

You are not condemning one man or a regime, you are condemning a whole country. If the USA never was founded, we could only guess how your country would look like today...

[nampigai]

You're wrong. America and the UK gave the jews a new chance. They gave them support for rebuilding their country. I suppose you would love to see all the jews killed in gas chambers instead...

Yes they did, by taking the land from the Palestinians, I fail to see any fairness in this whatsoever, but the mistake can't be undone, we now have to set the peace in the region and IMO we need to start with Israel and Palestine.

[Nyarlathotep]

Who would you rather control the world? China perhaps? Or better yet why not allow Islamic terrorists to kill everyone who doesn't want to follow their religion.

How about we give every nation the right to rule itself?

Don't talk about countries in general. It's governments and that's a big difference. Apart from that, I agree with the above. I don't wish to be controled by a foreign government, I seriously doubt anyone would.

[Miles]

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So America should start supporting countries like Iran or Syria instead? Palestinian's are indoctrinated to hate Jews and people like Saddam give their families money if they become suicide bombers. When was the last time Israel used their WMD? When was the last time Saddam used them?

No, the American Empire should not be supporting either side. They should remain neutral and work for peace, assuming that's what Bush really wants.

Now who's naive Edric? You cannot work for peace and remain neutral. Sometimes you have to take a stand against those who would commit atrocities to bring peace. It would be nice if we lived in a world where we could just sit down and discuss the world's problems and they would just dissapear, but this is the real world.

It's very simple, actually. The Saudi government is an evil dictatorship with lots of oil who is PRO-American. The Iraqi government is an evil dictatorship with lots of oil who is ANTI-American.

Therefore, the Saudis are friendly allies and the Iraqis are dark enemies. ::)

And I think mounting pressure is being put on Washington to distance ourselves from the Saudis.

How about we give every nation the right to rule itself?

Within reason. Murdering your own civilians for opposing you, gassing others in your country that you don't like are things that should not be tolerated by the international community. Some accountability has to be enforced or the world will be chaos. Unfortunately, the UN doesn't appear to be the institution that is willing to hold countries accountable for their actions.

[Edric O]

You're wrong. America and the UK gave the jews a new chance. They gave them support for rebuilding their country. I suppose you would love to see all the jews killed in gas chambers instead...

That's disgusting. Utterly repugnant. How could you even think that I would ever even stop hating the nazis, much less support them? I'd sooner die.

Building Israel was a noble thing to do, but couldn't they have tried to be friendly to the native population instead of throwing them out of their homes? There's plenty of room for everyone.

You are not condemning one man or a regime, you are condemning a whole country.

Actually, no. I'm only condemning the regime.

If the USA never was founded, we could only guess how your country would look like today...

It would most likely look exactly the same as it does now. The USA never fought with us or against us in any war. (except the two world wars, but we never fought on the same front)

Now who's naive Edric? You cannot work for peace and remain neutral. Sometimes you have to take a stand against those who would commit atrocities to bring peace.

In case you haven't noticed, Miles, BOTH sides are commiting atrocities.

But of course the American Empire will never do that - I only said what it should do, but I'm not deluding myself to think that they will actually do it.

And I think mounting pressure is being put on Washington to distance ourselves from the Saudis.

There was also pressure not to invade Iraq, and look how much they cared about that...

Within reason. Murdering your own civilians for opposing you, gassing others in your country that you don't like are things that should not be tolerated by the international community. Some accountability has to be enforced or the world will be chaos. Unfortunately, the UN doesn't appear to be the institution that is willing to hold countries accountable for their actions.

So you want the American Empire to hold everyone else accountable? Fine by me, but then who holds THEM accountable?

[emprworm]

In case you haven't noticed, Miles, BOTH sides are commiting atrocities.

no, i have not noticed. every Iraqi prisoner of war is treated humanely.

can we say the same thing for American prisoners of war?

WHo would you rather be: A POW in the hands of America, or a POW in the hands of Iraq?

Answer that question, Edric. Please do not dodge it.

[nampigai]

I'd rather be in the hands of the US no doubt about that, however the US also shows pictures of Iraqi POW's wich is against the Geneva convention.

But I'd offcourse prefer not to be a POW at all.

[emprworm]

we do? what has the US done against the geneva convention to Iraqi's?

[nampigai]

....however the US also shows pictures of Iraqi POW's wich is against the Geneva convention.

this

[Edric O]

no, i have not noticed. every Iraqi prisoner of war is treated humanely.

can we say the same thing for American prisoners of war?

WHo would you rather be: A POW in the hands of America, or a POW in the hands of Iraq?

Answer that question, Edric. Please do not dodge it.

I was talking about ISRAEL and THE PALESTINIANS, Emprworm. They are both commiting atrocities.

But now to answer your question: I'd rather be a POW in the hands of the Iraqis, of course. Because they would release me once they figured out I was on their side.

[GhostHunter]

no, i have not noticed. every Iraqi prisoner of war is treated humanely.

can we say the same thing for American prisoners of war?

WHo would you rather be: A POW in the hands of America, or a POW in the hands of Iraq?

Answer that question, Edric. Please do not dodge it.

I was talking about ISRAEL and THE PALESTINIANS, Emprworm. They are both commiting atrocities.

But now to answer your question: I'd rather be a POW in the hands of the Iraqis, of course. Because they would release me once they figured out I was on their side.

Yeah with your one arm and a stub remaining of your legs ::)

[Gobalopper]

How does showing people on TV go against the Geneva convention?

[nampigai]

the Geneva convention states that you are not to show your POW's I'll find something on it, but not tonight, I've had a real shitty day at work where everything went wrong and the rest of the week seems to go the same direction.

[emprworm]

no, i have not noticed. every Iraqi prisoner of war is treated humanely.

can we say the same thing for American prisoners of war?

WHo would you rather be: A POW in the hands of America, or a POW in the hands of Iraq?

Answer that question, Edric. Please do not dodge it.

I was talking about ISRAEL and THE PALESTINIANS, Emprworm. They are both commiting atrocities.

But now to answer your question: I'd rather be a POW in the hands of the Iraqis, of course. Because they would release me once they figured out I was on their side.

So you are on the side of the Iraqi elite republican guard and of Saddam Hussein, a man who has killed more Muslims than any single man in the history of the world.

You are DEFINATELY not on the side of the Iraqi people who want Hussein gone. If they release you, it is because they figured out you are on HUSSEINS side.

At least you finally admitted to your true self, as vile as it is.

[Acriku]

Edric, Israel hasn't had suicide bombers going to Palestine, just what atrocities are they committing?

[Dude_Doc]

That's disgusting. Utterly repugnant. How could you even think that I would ever even stop hating the nazis, much less support them? I'd sooner die.

Thanx for reasuring me.

Building Israel was a noble thing to do, but couldn't they have tried to be friendly to the native population instead of throwing them out of their homes? There's plenty of room for everyone.

And why can't Palestina be a peaceful nation?

[nampigai]

this is just a question: When the campaign in Iraq is over what will happen? will the US and Brits stay?

I'm asking this because I really haven't heard anything about it, and because of the fact that even though the Iraqi people hate Saddam they don't exactly love the American and Brits either.

edit: Acriku, from what I see on TV, whenever there has been a suicede bomb Israel counterattack. In this conflict there aren't any good or bad guy, there is only hatred.

[Dude_Doc]

But now to answer your question: I'd rather be a POW in the hands of the Iraqis, of course. Because they would release me once they figured out I was on their side.

And you said you only hated the American Regime. This is a typical proof of hatred for all America.

[nampigai]

And why can't Palestina be a peaceful nation?

put yourself in their place and think Dude_Doc, how would you feel if someone came and said: Too bad, too sad, Dude_Doc you gotta move now, cause someone else has to live here. ?

[Dude_Doc]

put yourself in their place and think Dude_Doc, how would you feel if someone came and said: Too bad, too sad, Dude_Doc you gotta move now, cause someone else has to live here. ?

I would gladly leave this godforsaken shithole for a one-way ticket to America.

No, but in reality, I understand what you said. The thing is that the Israelis was never bothered by anyone when they first lived there. So logically, they wouldn't be bothered now. My point is that Israel has right to that country, imagine of all the hunting and killing of jews, they can finally settle somewhere in the world.

[nampigai]

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to leave in peace but there's lots of countries where they can live. I just can't see the fairness in taking a country and oppressing those living there, it can't be justified. But as I've stated the mistake has been made, I don't hate Israeli people, I talk with some on a regular basis, I find their daily life very hard to understand, but just as I can understand the hatred from the Palestinian I can understand that of the Israeli. But I've talked to one specific who told me that actually he didn't hate anyone even though he lost people he held near, the eye for an eye prinicple will just make the world blind, it's a worn out phrase but true non the less

[Egeides]

Edric, Israel hasn't had suicide bombers going to Palestine, just what atrocities are they committing?

Until now:

- They were furnishing weapons to dictatorships and passing weapons USA was giving (Nicaragua, Salvadore, Africa...).

- It annexed alot of Palestine.

- Amnesty International "estimates 1600 Palestinians routinely arrested by Israeli military forces every year, falf "systematically tortured" " with Supreme court approval (saying they are too evil, it's the only way).

- When some atrocities occurs, Palestinians are placed under harsh curfew, no matter who is responsible (but not Israelites). Notice that kids don't go to school often and now have a scholarship problem: they were using Internet to go to a virtual school but without justification, Israel went to Internet furnisher and bombed it

- " Razing Palestinian houses in the search for "Jewish archeological remains" and establishing "nature reserves", later to be converted to Jewish housing "

- Imprisonment without charge

- Israel military operations aren't restricted to the "security zone"

- Why does such a little country have a military that is bigger than Russia?... Because it uses it. It also has bio/chemical and didn't signed the Nuclear Non-proliferation treaty

- "illegal use of weapons occasionally elicits a reprimand or temporary cut-off of shipments when the consequences receive too much publicity"

- The kamikaze may terrorize, they use such methods because they don't have same weapons: you kill lot better with organized weaponry like Israel. And they killed alot more also. Not counting everything they destroyed...

I can continue the list like this for a long time since I just passed the first 50 pages of a book that has 565.

Source: Most of it comes from Fateful Triangle, Noam Chomsky. Espescially the preface. What was under "" is direct quote.

[Acriku]

Israel has a dark past, so does every single country in this world. I said what atrocities are they committing? Palestine is still doing the suicide bombing, so what is Israel doing?