Ligic_Tha_Master Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 Who does Leto II Have in in he's head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 Who does Leto II Have in in he's head?Everyone in all the memories, he was able to silence them. The Baron happened to be the most dominate voice in Alia's head. The Baron was the one voice that could stop the other voices for Alia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobdouds Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 But then the Baron started making Alia do evil things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IxianMace Posted March 26, 2002 Author Share Posted March 26, 2002 I guess it's just the case of Alia not having a strong enough will to fight off her inner demons. I've just read the part in CoD where she tried to recite the litany against fear and failed. The Baron was asking her what did she have to fear. I wonder whether she'll ever get over it. ::) She even tried to get her pet Amazon Zia to make Duncan have a fatal accident. Luckily he took the ornithopter before anyone could do anything. ;D"How could anyone question Alia's consort"? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burseg_candor Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 easyshes aliahow could anyone question alia?as for duncan...were they married or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IxianMace Posted March 26, 2002 Author Share Posted March 26, 2002 I think they were married, it's just that after Alia turned 'abomination' Duncan felt that it was someone else and not Alia that he was looking at when he looked at her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burseg_candor Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 duh!it was the fat, dumb and gay baron harkonnenhow could that guy fit in someone's head?i mean hes so fat hed be running out her ears.but why was it the baron was in her head in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IxianMace Posted March 26, 2002 Author Share Posted March 26, 2002 The Lady Jessica was the one that introduced the Harkonnen blood into the Atreides line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burseg_candor Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 true but in that case wouldnt paul have the baron inhis head as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IxianMace Posted March 26, 2002 Author Share Posted March 26, 2002 Paul did have prescient visions. But that was due to the spice. I think he drank the water of life as well. He probably didn't have the Baron in his head because he wasn't preborn, although he was the Kwisatz Haderach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burseg_candor Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 the "shortening of the way"the one who could be many places at once.....wait a minute!who was more presicient?leto 2muad'dib or alia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IxianMace Posted March 26, 2002 Author Share Posted March 26, 2002 Alia was lost in her own fear. Muah'Dib (Paul Atreides) is the most prescient one as far as I'm concerned. Leto II has all the memories of his earlier generations thanks to his father, but he was forced into the spice trance by Namri and Gurney, along with Sabiha there to soften him up. So therefore, I go with Muah'Dib. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burseg_candor Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 the fate of the universe rests on the shoulders of one persondang!id be sweatin!but seriously.muad'dib may have been the most presicient but leto 2 took the next step Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 Get a room you two, and please don't tell any more of CoD, I am currently reading it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burseg_candor Posted March 26, 2002 Share Posted March 26, 2002 have funoh yeahyoull like the ******** and the part where ******* says ******* and ******** says ******** right back at *******;)am i giving you a head ache yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunseng_Harkonnen Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Now, now you only giving us a headache ;)Leto...he was quite unhappy...he sacrificed himself for better future...but this future wasn`t as good...it wasn`t the same dune world, without mentats, spacetravel, spice...its only he saw something worse that we don`t know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobdouds Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Yes Alia and Duncan were married after Mauddib's 'death'. Yes, death, that's right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_d00d Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 yup, 'dead' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 The reason for having the "voices" in their heads (Paul, Alia and Leto II) is remember they have the Bene Gesserit training mainly from the ingestation of the "water of life". Alia was born with all the powers of a Rev. Mother (Bene Gesserit sisters also have the "voices" in their heads) from her mother (Lady Jessica) taking the "water of life" during her pregnancy thus affecting Alia in her unborn stage of life. Alia was gifted and cursed at the same time. As for the Baron being able to manipulate Alia so easy. Alia was shunned as a child because she was different compared to the other children, she wasn't one in her mind state, she would always know more than any other child would. Understanding why the Baron would be the character to dominate Alia's memory voices is to understand the Baron. The Baron simply used Alia by being the "father figure" that was missing in her life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobdouds Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 But why were Leto II and Ghani Pre-born?And what is this about Leto been a sandworm???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Already asked but.. Paul suspects Chani to have secretly taken the Water Of Life, or it may be a genetic thingamajig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacobdouds Posted March 27, 2002 Share Posted March 27, 2002 Oh, I remember now, Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IxianMace Posted March 28, 2002 Author Share Posted March 28, 2002 That was very detailed Shogun. I'm impressed. :) Acriku, who are you asking to get their own room? I'm currently reading Children of Dune as well you know... >:( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunseng_Harkonnen Posted March 28, 2002 Share Posted March 28, 2002 Acriku just want read it without know what happened. Let tell him :). But about Alia, if she didn`t let Baron dominate her mind, she would go crazy? Maybe if she try face voices in her head, she would find peace like Leto and Ghanima. She only fought with them...or she hasn`t enough strenght inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IxianMace Posted March 28, 2002 Author Share Posted March 28, 2002 Okay okay, I didn't realize I was spoiling it for Acriku. Anyway, it's a real pity about Alia. Perhaps it was her power that corrupted her."Alia...Alia... is your fate to be my fate"? :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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