The Fate of poor Alia

[Ligic_Tha_Master]

Who does Leto II Have in in he's head?

[quoudam72]

Who does Leto II Have in in he's head?

Everyone in all the memories, he was able to silence them. The Baron happened to be the most dominate voice in Alia's head. The Baron was the one voice that could stop the other voices for Alia.

[jacobdouds]

But then the Baron started making Alia do evil things.

[IxianMace]

I guess it's just the case of Alia not having a strong enough will to fight off her inner demons. I've just read the part in CoD where she tried to recite the litany against fear and failed. The Baron was asking her what did she have to fear. I wonder whether she'll ever get over it. ::) She even tried to get her pet Amazon Zia to make Duncan have a fatal accident. Luckily he took the ornithopter before anyone could do anything. ;D

"How could anyone question Alia's consort"?  :)

[burseg_candor]

easy

shes alia

how could anyone question alia?

as for duncan...were they married or what?

[IxianMace]

I think they were married, it's just that after Alia turned 'abomination' Duncan felt that it was someone else and not Alia that he was looking at when he looked at her.

[burseg_candor]

duh!

it was the fat, dumb and gay baron harkonnen

how could that guy fit in someone's head?

i mean hes so fat hed be running out her ears.

but why was it the baron was in her head in the first place?

[IxianMace]

The Lady Jessica was the one that introduced the Harkonnen blood into the Atreides line.

[burseg_candor]

true but in that case wouldnt paul have the baron inhis head as well?

[IxianMace]

Paul did have prescient visions. But that was due to the spice. I think he drank the water of life as well. He probably didn't have the Baron in his head because he wasn't preborn, although he was the Kwisatz Haderach.

[burseg_candor]

the "shortening of the way"

the one who could be many places at once.....

wait a minute!

who was more presicient?

leto 2

muad'dib

or alia?

[IxianMace]

Alia was lost in her own fear. Muah'Dib (Paul Atreides) is the most prescient one as far as I'm concerned. Leto II has all the memories of his earlier generations thanks to his father, but he was forced into the spice trance by Namri and Gurney, along with Sabiha there to soften him up. So therefore, I go with Muah'Dib.

[burseg_candor]

the fate of the universe rests on the shoulders of one person

dang!

id be sweatin!

but seriously.

muad'dib may have been the most presicient but leto 2 took the next step

[Acriku]

Get a room you two, and please don't tell any more of CoD, I am currently reading it!

[burseg_candor]

have fun

oh yeah

youll like the ******** and the part where ******* says ******* and ******** says ******** right back at *******

;)

am i giving you a head ache yet?

[Gunseng_Harkonnen]

Now, now you only giving us a headache ;)

Leto...he was quite unhappy...he sacrificed himself for better future...but this future wasn`t as good...it wasn`t the same dune world, without mentats, spacetravel, spice...its only he saw something worse that we don`t know

[jacobdouds]

Yes Alia and Duncan were married after Mauddib's 'death'. Yes, death, that's right.

[el_d00d]

yup, 'dead'

[quoudam72]

The reason for having the "voices" in their heads (Paul, Alia and Leto II) is remember they have the Bene Gesserit training mainly from the ingestation of  the "water of life". Alia was born with all the powers of a Rev. Mother (Bene Gesserit sisters also have the "voices" in their heads) from her mother (Lady Jessica) taking the "water of life" during her pregnancy thus affecting Alia in her unborn stage of life. Alia was gifted and cursed at the same time.

As for the Baron being able to manipulate Alia so easy. Alia was shunned as a child because she was different compared to the other children, she wasn't one in her mind state, she would always know more than any other child would. Understanding why the Baron would be the character to dominate Alia's memory voices is to understand the Baron. The Baron simply used Alia by being the "father figure" that was missing in her life.

[jacobdouds]

But why were Leto II and Ghani Pre-born?

And what is this about Leto been a sandworm????

[Acriku]

Already asked but.. Paul suspects Chani to have secretly taken the Water Of Life, or it may be a genetic thingamajig.

[jacobdouds]

Oh, I remember now, Thank you.

[IxianMace]

That was very detailed Shogun. I'm impressed. :) Acriku, who are you asking to get their own room? I'm currently reading Children of Dune as well you know... >:(

[Gunseng_Harkonnen]

Acriku just want read it without know what happened. Let tell him :). But about Alia, if she didn`t let Baron dominate her mind, she would go crazy? Maybe if she try face voices in her head, she would find peace like Leto and Ghanima. She only fought with them...or she hasn`t enough strenght inside.

[IxianMace]

Okay okay, I didn't realize I was spoiling it for Acriku. Anyway, it's a real pity about Alia. Perhaps it was her power that corrupted her.

"Alia...Alia... is your fate to be my fate"? :D