Rise of the herb

[Elite47]

What is the matter GZAkiller you can't debate without name calling? I might be a 'prick' but you are the 'kitty' would you like to get stroked so there is no need for that type of insult. Your ignorance is deeper than I thought in the process of getting facts to advocate pot you forgot about the down side and memory loss is an effect of smoking pot. I never said you would be nothing in fact if you were smart(er) you would see the I said a few things that gave you a compliment on your intelligence so it is now obvious that you are the one that can't keep facts straight. You do not need medical research to tell you that smoking pot is not good. Do you need traffic research to tell you that walking across the street and not looking both ways is dangerous? You need to think for yourself. Your arms are too short to box with me. ;)

Are u an accomplishment? Have u done anything special as a result of not smoking pot? Like i said, you're probably the average joe schmoe. Then when i make something of myself I'll be there saying 'whoa how did someone who smoked marijuana achieve more than someone who doesnt!?'.

Oh im sorry i didn't know you were stupid when i was gathering my facts so i could advocate weed. I didn't think i needed to tell you that marijuana causes SHORT-TERM memory loss, not permanent! If you ever put something in your post suggesting i was intelligent i sure didn't see it. You were calling me ignorant and such i surely can't be intelligent can I? Make up your mind! And plz tell me when i said smoking pot is good for your health because i didn't. Infact i said that it isn't good for your health. Surely *YOU* are the one having trouble keeping your own facts strait ;) :-*

[Gh0stzzz]

Sandwraith you are one funny guy. GZAkiller is gonna mop the floor with you in this debate. I will add some of my own findings and post some stuff I believe.

"You do not need medical research to tell you that smoking pot is not good. Do you need traffic research to tell you that walking across the street and not looking both ways is dangerous?"

Umm what????? LOL, thats the the funniest thing you have said Sand.

Well first of all yes you are gonna die if you cross the street and a car is coming which you haven't noticed. This is obvious, you don't need research to tell you something like that even though there is research about it, eg; school and parents. Now when it comes to maryjane although there has been extensive research about it people are still confused. I won't get into many details but I will state for the record tht many myth's about marijuana are false among these long term memory loss! Also police say that marijuana now is stronger than ever, this is also false because of the inadequte testing back in the 60's and 70's. If you don't believe me do your own research. Marijuana is not a bad drug except that there is cancer-causing chemicals (known as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons). Sandwraith, I don't know why your trying to argue that weed is so bad when it's not bad at all. You are trying to potray weak points that are easily defended against. I would personally like to know your age just so I could tell you that your experience and wisdom is lacking. Your arguements are weak and unfounded, not to mention having a sort of childish appeal to them. To me it seems like your just arguing for the sake of arguing. You will get mowed down like "grass". Haha ;D

There is still a long way to go if we're ever going to round up all the facts about marijuana. For this matter we will probably never have every answer to every possible question about its effects on the body and brain because more TESTING and RESEARCH is required.

[Digital Guerrilla]

Are u an accomplishment?

Yes I am and I am quite sure you could accomplisment more if you really thought about this debate more with facts to back your claims (something medical by the surgeon general or other respected medical officals in the field). Right now with what your posting is boring the viewing audience they have heard it all before if you IM me I could give you a few pointers.

Have u done anything special as a result of not smoking pot? Like i said, you're probably the average joe schmoe. Then when i make something of myself I'll be there saying 'whoa how did someone who smoked marijuana achieve more than someone who doesnt!?'.

Quit your whining about me saying that you will not be anything in life because you smoke pot. Sure I can be an average joe schmoe nothing wrong with that. Is that ment to hurt my feeling we all can't be famous now can we? Read any of my posts carefully and this time don't take any 'puffs' before hand.

Oh im sorry i didn't know you were stupid when i was gathering my facts so i could advocate weed. I didn't think i needed to tell you that marijuana causes SHORT-TERM memory loss, not permanent!

I'm not stupid I said smoking pot has an effect to damage the memory. Any form of memory loss is not good hell in that short term there might be something that you need to remember.

If you ever put something in your post suggesting i was intelligent i sure didn't see it. You were calling me ignorant and such i surely can't be intelligent can I? Make up your mind!

GZAkiller just because someone says you are ignorant about a certain subject does not mean that you are not intelligent. In fact you seem be a very intelligent person just misguided about your recreational habits. You have what seems to a strong psychological desire to achieve noted by tha fact that you said one day you will be something. This can be destroyed by your habit of drug usage causing abnormal psychotropic behavior. You are the one who needs to make up their mind.

And plz tell me when i said smoking pot is good for your health because i didn't. Infact i said that it isn't good for your health. Surely *YOU* are the one having trouble keeping your own facts strait

No as seen my facts are straight and you proved what I posted in this reply already that you are an intelligent person just misguided.

Marijuana is not a bad drug except that there is cancer-causing chemicals (known as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons). Sandwraith, I don't know why your trying to argue that weed is so bad when it's not bad at all.

Well that explains it all with that statment. LOL This person said that marijuana is not a bad drug except for no less than the cancer-causing chemicals. Ok everybody that wants cancer Gob will make a poll and you can vote yes or no. LMAO You can not be serious about that statement Fedakin1!!!

[Gh0stzzz]

Ohh sandwraith you got me! I let myself get dupped by the likes of you! Man you are so smart! LOL, sorry buddy I knew I left an opening for you in post. To have two sentences that contradict each other so nicel, I was hoping you would pick up on it and try to salvage some dignity. ;D

You didn't read between the lines Im afraid. I said it does contain cancer causing agents sandwraith your right! BUT, I never said that it causes cancer did I. There is NO medical proof that marijuana causes cancer, none! That was truley a nice try sandwraith but there is a huge difference of it might cause cancer or that it does. Do you understand now?

Hehe this is just to damn funny. ;D

[Digital Guerrilla]

NO THIS IS NOT FUNNY IT IS SAD. If it is cancer-causing then it causes cancer why else call it cancer-causing? That would mean that if you get cancer these agants caused or could have caused the cancer. This has become silly. I am done.

[lowzeewee]

pple who take drugs cant stop taking it so.......once u r done,u r done,and the pro of taking it is that u feel high but when u start to get weaker and weaker,u know...[con]

BTW,sandwraith can i borrow the animation of the gunner firing in yr signature?

[Gh0stzzz]

No wraith you are wrong.

What you are implying is not far-featched but by me stating the phrase " cancer-causing-agents," it does not mean you get cancer!

Let me try to explain this to you in a more lamen term.

There is no direct link between cancer and pot. Therefore these cancer causing agents do not cause cancer.

When someone has flu symptoms it does not mean he or she has the flu does it?

It's in the wording, take a closer look and forget your view on wheter you like pot or not. Try to read what I have said more carefully.

[Gh0stzzz]

Huh?

"pple who take drugs cant stop taking it so.......once u r done,u r done,and the pro of taking it is that u feel high but when u start to get weaker and weaker,u know...[con]"

LOL

I really think you need to specify what drugs you are talking about. Like I said earlier chocolate and coffee are drugs. You have to specify what drugs you are talking about cause saying drugs in general can mean anything providing no real information.

Another thing is that I don't completely understand what you are saying. You mean when you are sick drugs give you a high when your weak so thats a good thing?

I dunno there are many types of drugs and your brief statement doesn't elborate on anything really. Try expressing your view a little more thoroughly.

[Caid Ivik]

TMA, you haven't better idea than to start a thread about this? Cannabis is just a more effective tobacco in all ways, more destructive, more pleasurable, more stinky... Both are shits which should be banned in my opinion, altough worst on it is, that it's smoked, not the unwealthy effects of cannabis itself. If you so can't live without it, then close yourself in your home or at some fet-club, far from the others, who want to live in clean world.

[Gh0stzzz]

I don't think this is a bad thread. I think you really have a thing against pot Caid. That's totally cool too, I don't care cause I don't like it much myself anymore. Although what you ask for is impossible. People are not going to stop smoking tobacco or marijuana because it's avaiable and people are only human. I think most people do smoke it at home or away in private because they probably also feel that they have to hide it. Society and government have given marijuana and smoking cigarettes a really bad rap.

[quoudam72]

Sandwraith you have made some good points. For those interested marijuana does contain many of the same carcinogens as cigarettes. This marijuana doesn't cause cancer is based in calculus of propositions the same bs scientists use for the obvious.

[DjCiD]

To much of a anything may cause cancer... like Sweet-n-low. You'd proabaly have to eat like 10,000 packets everyday till you die but it would most likly give you cancer too.

[nemafakei]

"In English i actually scored a 96%"

Would that we all please aim for the same standard of English - notably in sentence structure and insults - when typing our posts, stoned or not.

We can become addicted to many things, true, but that does not mean it is good to allow us the risk. Unless you have more money than sense in the first place, then becoming addicted to drugs can harm you a hell of a lot over the course of your life - your pocket, your body, and your sanity.

Are you seriously asking me to beleive that mind-altering chemicals have no ill effects?

"There is no direct link between cancer and pot. Therefore these cancer causing agents do not cause cancer"

A little more care, please!

There is no known direct link, therefore we do not know that it causes cancer. It may well contribute, but we have insufficient proof either way, I suspect.

As you said, it's in the wording, and "cancer causing agents do not cause cancer" cannot be correctly worded.

[Elite47]

be good gentlemen and cool down guys.lol

Both of you guys are on extremes. Pot isnt some miracle drug, its a silly weed.lol It isnt bad for you if taken in moderation, but it isnt something that should be done too much. It should be done like an occasional drink of alcohol. Too much effects everything. It also shouldnt be used as a substance to run away from problems or to use it in ordre to look "cool".

This is pretty much what i think. Silly-weed is a perfect word to describe it. One night what if u feel like getting 'silly' and take 1 hit from the pipe? Your not gonna die! I also agree that it should be used as often as an occasional drink.

[Acriku]

What is to keep people from not taking that pot and driving with it, hitting someone else because their state of mind was altered?

[exatreide]

NO THIS IS NOT FUNNY IT IS SAD. If it is cancer-causing then it causes cancer why else call it cancer-causing? That would mean that if you get cancer these agants caused or could have caused the cancer. This has become silly. I am done.

there are cancer causeing elements in paper to, but you arnt slamming paper now are you? Its the same thing they use in embalming fluids, its a preseritive, its used on wood, paper, and numerous other things, and its quite cancer causeing.:)

[Acriku]

Do you regularly engulf/inhale wood or paper?

[exatreide]

no,

but do you regulary, touch and come in contact with paper or wood?

[Acriku]

The 'toxins' in paper or wood are no where near strong enough to cause any effect by touching, or inhaling, or engulfing. That is, assuming that there are toxins (which I don't refute, I just don't know if there are). The thing is, we can stop marijuana from being legal before it's too late and it becomes just like alcohol in popularity, and then it is impossible to stop. We have alcohol and cigarettes, why would you want more mind state-alterring drugs? Anybody who takes drugs in my opinion certainly is 1)too curious for his own good and 2)insecure with one's life or self.

[exatreide]

Cigerets should be banned......

pot on the other hand......well look at are dutch friends. Pot is legel over there. Gryphon, and the rest of the dutch men, arnt retards. Just becouse alchohal is legel in the us, dosnt mean were all drunks :)

and you cant ban drinking. we tried that already, and it got us no whare.

doing it again would only hurt are already weakened econemy

[Acriku]

Cigs should be banned, and they are disappearing gradually, thank the Lard.

Cancer-causing products do not cause retardation, but they are not as healthy as one without pot, and in the lungs. Alcohol is legal, and there are currently almost 14 million alcoholic abusers/alcoholics, so there are a lot of drunks.

I know we can't ban it, that's why I said it is impossible to stop.

[emprworm]

Cigs should be banned, and they are disappearing gradually, thank the Lard.

Cancer-causing products do not cause retardation, but they are not as healthy as one without pot, and in the lungs. Alcohol is legal, and there are currently almost 14 million alcoholic abusers/alcoholics, so there are a lot of drunks.

I know we can't ban it, that's why I said it is impossible to stop.

you and i are in full agreement. I even agreed with the "thank the Lord" part too!! :D

[sneezer3]

This is pretty much what i think. Silly-weed is a perfect word to describe it. One night what if u feel like getting 'silly' and take 1 hit from the pipe? Your not gonna die!

this is a very poor excuse, you still harm your body.

I also agree that it should be used as often as an occasional drink.

You have a right to your view. but i beg to differ, People have died driveing drunk, People have done a lot of stupid things while drunk, and some get killed.

people can quit with God's help.

[Acriku]

People can quit with placebos, if they think they are really helping than the mind conquers all.

[Elite47]

What is to keep people from not taking that pot and driving with it, hitting someone else because their state of mind was altered?

Why would u be concerned about being stoned being the cause for a wreck? Pot hardly impairs your ability to drive. Alcohol is the one that fucks u up so u can't drive. Anyone can drive stoned(and don't say that you can't because you've never experienced it for yourself)