ordos45 Posted December 27, 2002 Posted December 27, 2002 http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/12/27/human.cloning/index.htmlThat's right, our friends at Cloneaid, the Raelians are claiming that on December 26, the birth of the first human clone took place.
Edric O Posted December 27, 2002 Posted December 27, 2002 Let me guess: They were aiming to have the baby born on December 25th... ::)Okay, so a human clone was born. So what?
Edric O Posted December 27, 2002 Posted December 27, 2002 Clonaid, which calls itself the "first human cloning company," was founded by the Raelians in 1997. The Raelian movement professes that life on Earth was created through genetic engineering by extraterrestrials.The Raelians believe their spiritual leader -- former French journalist Claude Vorilhon who now calls himself Rael -- is a direct descendant of these aliens. He says he has met with aliens and visited their planet. Rael told CNN in July 2001 that the long-term goal for human cloning is to live forever.Rael says the Raelians eventually want to learn how to clone an adult and then "transfer the brain to the clone." Boisselier said she hopes to one day open cloning clinics on each continent to help infertile couples have families.Riiiight, the little green men did it! ::)
nampigai Posted December 27, 2002 Posted December 27, 2002 the infertile couples could adopt there's plenty of children needing a new home why set more children into this world?
Edric O Posted December 27, 2002 Posted December 27, 2002 We're not killing the Earth fast enough, I suppose... ::)
ordos45 Posted December 27, 2002 Author Posted December 27, 2002 Actually Edric, yes, the date they wanted was Christmas, but they were a day late. I watched their live Press Conference on it.
Edric O Posted December 27, 2002 Posted December 27, 2002 Heh heh heh... looks like their little green men screwed up. ;D
Acriku Posted December 27, 2002 Posted December 27, 2002 Edric, stop bashing the Raelians, they have a right not to be bashed because of what they believe. If they believe Aliens is the cause of it all, then that's their belief, not your's to bash. Anyways, I think this is just a ploy to say "We did it first". Assuming the claims are true, which I doubt they are, who knows what this might entail. Perhaps it will just allow us to better understand the genetics of a human being. Immoral and unethical practices have in the past allowed us to a better understanding.
The_Sadukar Posted December 27, 2002 Posted December 27, 2002 Rael told CNN in July 2001 that the long-term goal for human cloning is to live forever.Obviusly they know not the eteral life is not for edain(man), only for eldars(elves).Boisselier said she hopes to one day open cloning clinics on each continent to help infertile couples have families.Perhaps it's because their genes are not good enough.
SurlyPIG Posted December 28, 2002 Posted December 28, 2002 If this is true, whether it's a good thing or now, biology and genetics has reached a frightening new height.
Dante Posted December 28, 2002 Posted December 28, 2002 If this is true, whether it's a good thing or now, biology and genetics has reached a frightening new height. I'd say 'exciting' rather than frightening. I think it's a wonderful idea. What worries me is that maybe it's too much too soon... Do we know enough to proceed with this safely? Maybe waiting fifty years would be an idea. And the fact that this was announced by a... 'cult' throws powerful doubts on the claim. Personally I think their lying, but that's just me.
The_Sadukar Posted December 28, 2002 Posted December 28, 2002 You accturly thinks imortaltiy is good for mankind?Or in what dircetion are you thinking?
Frodo Posted December 28, 2002 Posted December 28, 2002 Honestly, I think that their ideas are strange. This is only my opinion, which everyone is entitled to have. But they claim that their goal is to live immortally. Honestly, if they where able to clone someone, they would be a vegetable. There is no way to clone emotions, feelings, pain, and a soul. Any clone would be a lifeless body, capable only of being there. This is my view on the matter.
IxianMace Posted December 28, 2002 Posted December 28, 2002 I for one am highly against cloning of any sort. From my point of view, it is tampering with nature, something that humans are not ready (and have no right) to do at this stage. It does nothing for evolution, and so far as you all no doubt have heard, many if not all of the cloned creatures so far have developed side effects such as premature death, illnesses, etc etc. This goes to show just how little humans know about the true functions of nature. There are also many worthy causes out there that could do with the financial support that is going into cloning and research into cloning. Look at all the starving people in third world countries! Look at the overuse of greenhouse gases! Look at the overpopulation of the Earth! These are just some of the major problems that humans will eventually have to deal with, like it or not. What are we doing now? We're spending money on cloning while we could be using the funds for something much more worthwhile. I must really question the morality of the people that can bring themselves to even think about cloning a human being or any creature. It's unnecessary, and it's just not right IMHO.
Frodo Posted December 28, 2002 Posted December 28, 2002 There is no proof of evolution, none at all. It is a theory that most people look to as an answer for their lack of clarity. Just like religion.
IxianMace Posted December 28, 2002 Posted December 28, 2002 Perhaps you are right. However the point I was trying to make in my previous post is that there is absolutely no need for another creature of the exact same genetic makeup to be created from an original as far as I see. :P
Frodo Posted December 29, 2002 Posted December 29, 2002 I understand, I am a catholic, and in my viewpoint cloning is like playing god. Let life take it's course, don't change it's path.
gryphon Posted December 29, 2002 Posted December 29, 2002 I can only think of one quote at the moment ;"the question is not if reality is real, but if we can handel reality"
VigilVirus Posted December 29, 2002 Posted December 29, 2002 Hehe, imagine if cloning was used by a dictator to produce beings like him to continue his rule after the original's death.
ordos45 Posted December 29, 2002 Author Posted December 29, 2002 Hehe, imagine if cloning was used by a dictator to produce beings like him to continue his rule after the original's death.The Boys From Brazil. Its a movie about Hitler being cloned. Watching it right now on the History Channel.
Acriku Posted December 29, 2002 Posted December 29, 2002 You can surely copy emotions, fear, and pain. They all are just nerve and chemical reactions, going throughout our body. If you can't face that, then perhaps life is too harsh for ya.And if you are worried about us playing God, then you should take a look around you and look at everybody that is playing God right now. We have doctors saving lives, murderers killing lives, civilians saving lives sacrificing their's in consequence, etc. Should we stop them all, too? Or are God's actions confused with everything else?
VigilVirus Posted December 29, 2002 Posted December 29, 2002 Well, it would be incredibly hard to recreate a historic individual, even if you have his DNA. I mean, genetics are not the only ones that play a role in personality. You would also have to simulate the conditions in which the individual was brought up in, teach him all the things the original was taught.And well, concerning Hitler's background that would be very hard - I mean the background of WWI and collapse of german economy.So, I do not think it could be done well enough to create an individual similar in personality - just in appearance.
VigilVirus Posted December 29, 2002 Posted December 29, 2002 My opinion on "Playing God" is that there is no such thing. How would cloning be so much different from normal birth, which is also creating life?
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