dczx Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Hi,I've read all of the original series except for Chapterhouse which I am reading now and I was wondering... was there any other intelligent sentient life in the Dune stories besides humans? The Tleilaxu were just genetically modified humans right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 There is no other biologicalsentient life, however at one point before the books were writtent here was sentient artificial (robot) life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Just to add to what Mahdi said: There were no sentient "alien" races (the sandworms, I believe were the only non-earth "natural" beings). The closest thing would be genetically modified/changed things, such as the Guildsmen or the Futars (which you got a glimpse of in Heretics of Dune).Also, not to be picky/mean, but in the future, could you please make your subject line a bit more descriptive? I've noticed this a few times lately, and I thought I might as well say something while I'm posting. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dczx Posted October 10, 2002 Author Share Posted October 10, 2002 thanks, fixed the subject... I guess Frank Herbert wanted to tell more "human" stories. One wouldn't think that Bene Tleilax and such fit into that, but with genetic engineering becoming more of a reality, maybe it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 Thanks (about the subject thing, that is).I always liked that about Dune. In a lot of sci-fi, you have really wierd/stupid aliens. Aliens with fish heads, aliens with fish bodies, fish with alien heads, and so on. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 Shai-Hulud isn't sentient? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlteaDeo Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 what is sentient? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 "Sentient" means they think for themselves, and are above using only their animal instinct/drive (i.e. humans).And no, Caid, Shai-Hulud (the Worm) isn't sentient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 Shai-Hulud isn't even real. Unless they show him in the laer books... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 The worms that descended from Leto II were sentient...kind of...they really got me confused with that part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 they werent really sentient. They had an "essense" of intelligence but it was a collective mind of Leto the tyrant. Basically the worms were a manifestation of Leto's intelligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 I know that. I pretty much remember the exact words of that part. But if you break down a sentience in multiple pieces, what do you get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 a sentient being with many bodies? lol They dont think seperately. They are all apart of one. Kind of like the idea of Nirvana. Where all enlightened souls come to a state of collective consciousness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlteaDeo Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 "Sentient" means they think for themselves, and are above using only their animal instinct/drive (i.e. humans).thanks :) I'm now a bit better an english talking men then ever before! :) lolol.... ::) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 Glad I could help. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exatreide Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 Well couldnt leto II be considered as not human?he was a big worm....who thought for himself...he didnt have a fishead though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 Leto II. died. His body left something, what became new worms. But he himself, his humanity died, his soul left him. So if Shai-hulud is an animal, all worms, pre- or post-Leto, are animals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 Hardly my point, TMA. If you break something into multiple pieces, you have multiple things, but none of them are like the original. I believe the worms were "directed" by Leto IIs soul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 So if he said "they'll call me Shaitan" he ment personally himself? Then pre- and post-Leto worms were different... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlteaDeo Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 of course they where different.Still, it doesn't mean that worms after Leto II where intelligent. In that matter, they where exactly the same as before him, they just have a part of leto II, peoticly talking, because they all come from Leto II's dead...well, only my little opinion though ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 true true altea. This is just my opinion though and tell me if you agree. Remember the inhabiting of the thoughts of the baron in alia or the voice of paul in leto the tyrant? I think that the worms had an essense of leto the second. one essense. still though you could be right about it just being fluff altea. dont know. dont think it is supposed to be known. its fiction.lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 LetoII mentioned that the worms that came from him would have an animal like mind- so pre-LetoII worms didn't have minds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 no what that meant was they would be even more dangerous than they were before. Remember that leto the tyrant would go in and out of the shui-hulud state where he went berserk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlteaDeo Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 true true altea. This is just my opinion though and tell me if you agree. Remember the inhabiting of the thoughts of the baron in alia or the voice of paul in leto the tyrant? I think that the worms had an essense of leto the second. one essense. still though you could be right about it just being fluff altea. dont know. dont think it is supposed to be known. its fiction.lolthe worm being a kind of abobination? could be true. Still, if a worm had that kind of memory, that would make then REAL god, as they would be so evolved with all those memories in them... If they can "know" what those memory mean of course ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 We'll see in Dune VII. I hope... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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