emprworm Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 Acriku Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edric O Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 Then how did they explain natural phenomenons (sp?) without religion?When an oogabooga asked questions like:Who am I?Where did I come from?What is my purpose?...what kind of answers did he get? Certainly not atheist ones, I can assure you of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 Er... since when did something being 'natural' mean it was true. There is a perfectly good reason for ubiquitous religion - the (metaphorical) fear of the dark. You're all intelligent enough to realise how an idea that promises of an afterlife will gain popularity in any primitive civilisation pretty fast. Especially if it can be changed so that "if you do what the chief says, you will get a good afterlife".And how do religious explain that other religions are 'natural'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quoudam72 Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 IMOI think it just developed over time, what I mean is this primitive man worshipped objects (say the moon and and the sun) he had an explanation for each. After time has passed primitive man gets smarter and says we can no longer worship such things the rest of the population (tribe or whatever) are starting to question such practices and anyway they do not satisfy the people. Primitive man in turn invents religion(s) that represent man from the already known myths from among each peoples of there own. In doing so they have to also make it where it will be unlike man, meaning something man can neither see or touch but something he can 'feel'. Thus making it higher than man because they (know and undetstand) that man is full of chaos. You see primitive man already knew that beliefs are powerful because he invented them but he had not perfected them or should I say refined for a better choice of words. Now this does not mean I do not believe in a higher being just maybe my beliefs are different in and of this higher being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 Losing side or not, that does not persuade me in any way. *GASP* You, empr, who does so state that science can be forged and misread and misinterpreted uses archaeology as part of his argument! Yeesh what is this world coming to. People can forge artifacts and findings, by the way, and I'm sure there have been in the past. But onto the argument...It is common for humans who, with the developed minds we should be so proud of, to be curious of his own existence. The concept of existing comes with having a complex brain. So, of course man had questions for his own existence. So he invents answers he believes to be correct. These turn into a religion. And so, a religion was invented. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardauker-Kirov Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 And believing in Reincarnation must be a invention too? I suppose... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Everything that comes of human intelligence is invented or brought up. Some of you understand this and some of you dont. Geesh guys.lol The problem is I cannot logically argue for the Lord. many christians like me believe that the Lord came to us. It is not through our intelligence. Even if I pointed out a negative for the sake of argument it would prove nothing. You guys dont get it. Everything we comprehend is of our being. Its all relative. You are playing these games that are so superficial its sick. Its pure arrogance. One opinion isnt better than another. I just got upset earlier because some people really have a problem and have an axe to grind with somebody. No attitudes. Just realize we cant prove our beliefs correct and show people how you think and not how you feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emprworm Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 yes, reincarnation (i believe) is an invention. Reincarnation is a specific supernatural belief. The thing you guys need to understand is that specific supernatural beliefs are easily invented by man. What is not invented by man is the awareness of a supernatural existence. All humans are aware of a supernatural existence. It is when humans start to explain it that leads to the inventions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardauker-Kirov Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Maybe we learned the word reincarnation in our other lives.You'll never know, anyways, I believe in reincarnation. If you die, you will be reborn in a new life or new world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Bowing to the earth (trees, rocks, river) and burying the dead do not suggest awareness of a "higher" being. They could be worshipping the mighty and powerful Gaea, or they could be just paying their respects to what's around them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardauker-Kirov Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Gaia the spirit of nature, god of life. Etc..That could be true Acriku, Indians seem to worship Gaia, though it is a theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Native americans dont worship Gaea. They worship a myriad of gods that consist of nature around them. These small gods were given their power by the Great Spirit in many of the tribes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Gaia is the godess of the Earth, worshipped by the ancient Greeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 This discussion leads to nowhere. Religious people can't explain reality to those anthropocentrists."If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?" - Jn 3,12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 That's right- you can't prove your "reality" to people that do not share your view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 You know how to insult, Earthnuker, but you are really just degenerated couple of mindless flesh with only some primitive materialistic targets for your life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 If religious people are so moralistic, then why did they not manage to create a more just society then todays in all the milennia they dominated over mankind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 Maybe they were just hypocrites. At least those, who were lured by power and wealth. But again, religion isn't ruling organisation, it's support institute to help people with their spiritual troubles in normal life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 "They were"? Man, look around! The world is composed out of hypocrites! And not nearly all of them are atheists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dude_Doc Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 I think you should pay respect to the nature and envivornment. Why? Well, ask yourself this question: Which one is more beautiful, a picture of a green forrest, animals, seas and natural clouds, or an industrial area, metal dark factories everywhere, dirty oceans of oil and other waste? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted October 10, 2002 Share Posted October 10, 2002 You can have both Doc, but yes the first one of course. Hey Caid, calling names "anthropocentrists" doesn't help the situation. I for one do not search for the truth centered wholly around humanity, I search for the truth for the existence of Earth, the universe, the solar system! I do search for the truth partially conscerning myself because why the hell not? It's not a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 "They were"? Man, look around! The world is composed out of hypocrites! And not nearly all of them are atheists.Not every one is hypocrite, if you have much in your enviroment, altough I have to say, sadly, that you have half true with this. Much christians are hypocrites. But not every one. Also, no one has right to say about other he is hypocrite."Judge not, that ye be not judged." - Mt 7,1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 Unfortunately a lot of people are hypocrites. Not just Christians though. I think all religions can be hypocritical at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 Religion itself isn't hypocritical. Every religion is over people, they just make it alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 In most cases yes, but a religion is it's teachings, and I think that some religious teachings are hypocritical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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