TMA_1 Posted October 7, 2002 Share Posted October 7, 2002 If you took religion away then humans would just fight about different reasons. You look at one puzzle piece but fail to see the whole puzzle itself. If you cut off the arm of religion, the other legs and arm would still fight for something. its human nature to fight. Besides, the lord wouldnt allow that kind of thing to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjCiD Posted October 7, 2002 Share Posted October 7, 2002 yes sin is in the flesh... we will always struggle aginst ourselves...whether you believe in religion or not... like you say its Human nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sardauker-Kirov Posted October 7, 2002 Share Posted October 7, 2002 Yes, we all will become Harkonnen in the future, soon we will have the voices of the Harkonnen troops in Emperor of dune. At once! Attack!House Harkonnen!!!! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid Ivik Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Earthnuker, IMAGINE in history no preachers of morale. How THEN could humans live? Who gave so called "atheists" their morale? Do you think their predicessors were atheist too? Don't look at you mother, look for at least two centuries back! Sin isn't in flesh, but atheism brought only a degeneration of morale. What caused Voltaire instead of French civil wars? We aren't perfect, not everyone can solve the problem with just some words. That one, who argue violently is a primitive, like a deer who fight for his area of food. Then, if you defend you are honorable. Religion curses aggresors, blesses defenders. But biggest bless will receive creators of consense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Religion doesn't change human nature- people stay good because their priests say that if they don't behave they go to hell.Sin, as you call it, is in the flesh.Voltaire writing nonsense? I suppose you think that because everything that questions the sheer hypocracy of your christian dogma isn't to your liking.If we're going back in time, then is it moralic to burn alleged witches, hunt down heretics and publicly humiliate pagans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjCiD Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 It doesnt matter what religion you are or if you have a religion, we are born into a world of sin... that is in our flesh and courses thru our blood...there is nothing we can do to chnage that fact... we can only choose to live in sin or not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Earthnuker you have an axe to grind. Your whole arguments are worthless. If you wont start speaking intelligently then nobody will agree with you. If people didnt have religion then they would fight over food, over race, over land, over honor, over misunderstanding, over anger, over backstabbing, over arrogance, over hatred, blah blah blah. Its all about whos correct. Not about "religion". cool down earthnuker. You sound like one of those idiot gothic kids.lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 TMA, stfu. Are you saying none of those things happened after the invention of christianity ::)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 yup. after capitalism, after communism, after democracy, after lack of freedom, after anarchy. There are so many thing people fight about. You just have a problem with christianity. You didn t read my post. Dont be so chauvinistic earthnuker. grow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Your post was 4 lines, of wich 4 were composed of insults. In the middle ages, almost entire Europe was christian- and barbaric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 A moral code adhered to by all would stop war - but religion does not really correlate with that. TMA, your tone seems very abusive. Please reconsider how you address earthnuker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edric O Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 In modern times, the entire Soviet Union was atheist. Did it do those poor people any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Atheism in of itself did them no wrong. But other things (like lack of a moral code) did. A moral code is more important than religion. Attatching one to the other is dangerous and risks losing both messages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 In industrial times, priests encouraged poor labourers to keep their mouth shut because they'd end up in heaven anyway. Did it do those people any good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edric O Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Priests can say whatever they want. They are nothing more than normal human beings. You should listen to the Word of God, not the words of priests.From my knowledge of history, attaching a moral code to a religion is the only way to keep that moral code from being torn apart a mere 1 or 2 generations later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 However, the basis of catholism is that the masses are dependant on religious leaders (pope, bishops etc) to understand Gods will.If a bunch of religious extremists crash 2 planes in a couple of buildings, can you say that is morally just? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemafakei Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Religions do not have similar moral codes, and due to opposition of religion, the shared values are lost, and only the differences remain. Differences which can cause people to breach both moral codes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Priests can say whatever they want. They are nothing more than normal human beings. You should listen to the Word of God, not the words of priests.From my knowledge of history, attaching a moral code to a religion is the only way to keep that moral code from being torn apart a mere 1 or 2 generations later.Why do you blame athiesm because of what you think athiesm teaches (or doesn't) and blame the harms of religion on normal human beings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edric O Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Because you'e doing the exact same thing, only the other way around.Let's settle it once and for all: Either religion and atheism are NOT to blame for their misuse, or they are BOTH to blame for the crimes they caused.Either way, atheism is no better then religion. The opposite is also true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acriku Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 I didn't think I was, but maybe I did, oh well. Finally an agreement ;) The evils of both are caused by HUMANS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edric O Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 Good. :)Then we both agree that a world without religion would be no improvement over the world we have now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 the words I posted were not insults. If it is true then its not an insult. It actually enhances my point. Sensitivity destroyes things. Earthnuker you didnt get what I was saying. your still attacking "christianity". That isnt the only problem in the world! lol you all are doing it and its silly. Read my posts. Edric is right. Without religion the world would be just as bad and find new avenues of evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 "The road to hell is paved with good intentions", you may just be intending to post an opinion, but some people take them as insults. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted October 8, 2002 Share Posted October 8, 2002 lol I had no good intentions. I had intentions to tell people not to be idiots. look at that quote yourself. Truth is truth and if people dont like it w ell I have no control over that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted October 9, 2002 Share Posted October 9, 2002 the words I posted were not insults. If it is true then its not an insult. It actually enhances my point. Sensitivity destroyes things. Earthnuker you didnt get what I was saying. your still attacking "christianity". That isnt the only problem in the world! lol you all are doing it and its silly. Read my posts. Edric is right. Without religion the world would be just as bad and find new avenues of evil.You sir, are a liar. I never claimed that one religion would solve anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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