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[Anathema]

They wanted to see if it was possible to give a ghola back his original memories, so they could do the same to their Kwisatz Haderach (the dwarf, I don't remember his name).

And if they failed, and Paul would be killed, they would negotiate with Alia about resurecting Paul instead of Alia.

[Andrew]

Bijaz(dwarf) was their kwizatch haderach? why would they need to bring him back to life (other than living forever)? I'm confused.

[Mahdi]

Bijaz was not there kwisatz Haderach.

[Anathema]

I'm pretty shure he was Mahdi but I don't have a copy of Dune to check it. Remember that Paul didn't see Bijaz in his visions, meaning that Bijaz also has vision ability. And in the scene just after Duncan almost killed Paul Bijaz was happy because now there was hope for him too, or something like that.

[Mahdi]

The Tleilaxu had a kwisatz Haderach, but it was a long, long, long time ago, and the ltielaxu took him out. they never made another. Bijaz was simply a tool in the conspiracy, not a kwisatz haderach.

[Anathema]

So the Tleilaxu had a KH before the BG did?

[Mahdi]

Oh yeah, long time before. Remember: They play with genomes using artificial means, while Bg use breeding. They have an advantage. They create creatures of absolute goodness and absolute evil jsut for the fun of it. It's all explained int he conspiracy meeting at the beggining of messiah.

[Vanguard3000]

Mahdi: The Tleilaxu KH killed itself (rather than bringing about radical change to the universe), did it not?

[Mahdi]

Yes,t he tlielaxu forced it into a position where that was it's only choice, other than to go against everything it had been.

[Mahdi]

Just wanted to add that Paul couldn't see Bijaz is because he was protected by Edric.

[Anathema]

But when he went to that fremen house where he met Bijaz Paul couldn't see him in advance in his vision, but he could see the rest. Edric wasn't anywhere near that house.

[Andrew]

Paul couldnt see Duncan eithor right?

Thats because Duncan and Bijaz were made at same time etc. more info when I get time to read through Frank Herbert by William Touponce.

[Mahdi]

But when he went to that fremen house where he met Bijaz Paul couldn't see him in advance in his vision, but he could see the rest. Edric wasn't anywhere near that house.

Doesn't matter, he was still under Edric's protection.

[Colonel_Worf]

Paul knew it had to play out. I think he knew about Bijaz.

[lowzeewee]

I got a question:Was Dr Yueh really a traitor ???

[Vanguard3000]

Yes. His Imperial Conditioning was broken, and he sabotaged palace defences. However, he did give Paul and Jessica a means of escape, and armed the Duke with the poison gas tooth.

[Andrew]

wait a minute, he gave jess and paul a means of escape. Facedancers(tleilaxu) always give the victim a means of escape, could this mean that he was a facedancer? just a thought

[Vanguard3000]

No. Jessica, at the very least, would have noticed. Paul probably would have figured it out too, and the others (esp. the Duke) would have found out eventually. Besides, we see his thoughts, so we know it's Yueh.

[lowzeewee]

So was he a traitor or not?

[Vanguard3000]

Yes.

[lowzeewee]

Oh man :(

I thought he was an educated[COs he is Doctor :)] and honest[in the earlier books] :(

[SpiceGuid]

Chapterhouse is full of mysteries.

No doubts the sequels will give answers.

But are the answers legacy of FH or ad-hoc constructions to continue the novels.

[exatreide]

Not really a qustion but i was listning to my tvs techno station

and the artists name was

Jori Hulkkonnen..

[Mihail]

I have a question.

Since I have never read past god emperor of dune, I want to know who the Honoured Matres are. ???

[SpiceGuid]

Are over 18?

Honore matres topics are adult only. :O