Anathema Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 They wanted to see if it was possible to give a ghola back his original memories, so they could do the same to their Kwisatz Haderach (the dwarf, I don't remember his name).And if they failed, and Paul would be killed, they would negotiate with Alia about resurecting Paul instead of Alia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Bijaz(dwarf) was their kwizatch haderach? why would they need to bring him back to life (other than living forever)? I'm confused. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Bijaz was not there kwisatz Haderach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 I'm pretty shure he was Mahdi but I don't have a copy of Dune to check it. Remember that Paul didn't see Bijaz in his visions, meaning that Bijaz also has vision ability. And in the scene just after Duncan almost killed Paul Bijaz was happy because now there was hope for him too, or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 The Tleilaxu had a kwisatz Haderach, but it was a long, long, long time ago, and the ltielaxu took him out. they never made another. Bijaz was simply a tool in the conspiracy, not a kwisatz haderach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 So the Tleilaxu had a KH before the BG did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Oh yeah, long time before. Remember: They play with genomes using artificial means, while Bg use breeding. They have an advantage. They create creatures of absolute goodness and absolute evil jsut for the fun of it. It's all explained int he conspiracy meeting at the beggining of messiah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Mahdi: The Tleilaxu KH killed itself (rather than bringing about radical change to the universe), did it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Yes,t he tlielaxu forced it into a position where that was it's only choice, other than to go against everything it had been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Just wanted to add that Paul couldn't see Bijaz is because he was protected by Edric. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anathema Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 But when he went to that fremen house where he met Bijaz Paul couldn't see him in advance in his vision, but he could see the rest. Edric wasn't anywhere near that house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 Paul couldnt see Duncan eithor right?Thats because Duncan and Bijaz were made at same time etc. more info when I get time to read through Frank Herbert by William Touponce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahdi Posted March 27, 2003 Share Posted March 27, 2003 But when he went to that fremen house where he met Bijaz Paul couldn't see him in advance in his vision, but he could see the rest. Edric wasn't anywhere near that house.Doesn't matter, he was still under Edric's protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel_Worf Posted March 28, 2003 Share Posted March 28, 2003 Paul knew it had to play out. I think he knew about Bijaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowzeewee Posted April 8, 2003 Share Posted April 8, 2003 I got a question:Was Dr Yueh really a traitor ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted April 8, 2003 Share Posted April 8, 2003 Yes. His Imperial Conditioning was broken, and he sabotaged palace defences. However, he did give Paul and Jessica a means of escape, and armed the Duke with the poison gas tooth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted April 8, 2003 Share Posted April 8, 2003 wait a minute, he gave jess and paul a means of escape. Facedancers(tleilaxu) always give the victim a means of escape, could this mean that he was a facedancer? just a thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted April 9, 2003 Share Posted April 9, 2003 No. Jessica, at the very least, would have noticed. Paul probably would have figured it out too, and the others (esp. the Duke) would have found out eventually. Besides, we see his thoughts, so we know it's Yueh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowzeewee Posted April 10, 2003 Share Posted April 10, 2003 So was he a traitor or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted April 10, 2003 Share Posted April 10, 2003 Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowzeewee Posted April 10, 2003 Share Posted April 10, 2003 Oh man :(I thought he was an educated[COs he is Doctor :)] and honest[in the earlier books] :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiceGuid Posted April 12, 2003 Share Posted April 12, 2003 Chapterhouse is full of mysteries.No doubts the sequels will give answers.But are the answers legacy of FH or ad-hoc constructions to continue the novels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exatreide Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 Not really a qustion but i was listning to my tvs techno stationand the artists name wasJori Hulkkonnen.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mihail Posted April 18, 2003 Share Posted April 18, 2003 I have a question.Since I have never read past god emperor of dune, I want to know who the Honoured Matres are. ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiceGuid Posted April 18, 2003 Share Posted April 18, 2003 Are over 18?Honore matres topics are adult only. :O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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