RIP Scott Helvenston

[Seal89999]

:-[

:'(

Does anybody rember that show "Combat Missions" that aired on USA network?

Do you guys rember the loudmouth navy seal?

Scott Helvenston was killed in Iraq on wednesday. He caught in an ambush and killed. His body was then burned and mutilated.

Totally sick......

Those people are nothing but scum. They should all be killed. So many lives have been lost in Iraq and all we are trying to do is help. People who kill somebody and then mutilate the bodys , especially men who are unarmed and are there as civilians (like Scott Helvenston).

This really sorta hits me hard because I really liked that guy and I really respected him. I have alot of his fitness videos called "Total Fitness". I always respected what he went through in his life and what he made of himself. I really feel sad....really broken up....

Death never really hits you until its somebody you know or love. Then you really know.....I dident personally know him but it felt like it...

Check out the full story:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/iraq/20040402-9999-news_1n2scott.html

http://www.realitytvworld.com/index/articles/story.php?s=2437

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player.html?7947&1_-_Top_Stories&Brutal%20Day%20in%20Iraq&acc&wvx-300

[Seal89999]

I think I am going to be sick.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/apdaily/033104-12v.htm

[Andrew]

That is sick. I have nothing against them showing dead bodies, as American media show many dead Iraqis everyday (and as soon as Americans are showed on TV, Americans complain ::))

But the mutilation of Humans means that there should be genocide, the deliberate and systematic destruction of all terrorist life in Iraq. ;)

[exatreide]

I came up with a method of stoping the attacks, for every attack on americans where americans are killed. Line up the entire population of the city and kill every 10th person for every attack, either the attacks end or we run out of iraqi's, a win win situation.  :D

[Kiyouta]

I came up with a method of stoping the attacks, for every attack on americans where americans are killed. Line up the entire population of the city and kill every 10th person for every attack, either the attacks end or we run out of iraqi's, a win win situation.

[Dante]

Maybe this should be in PRP? Incendiary opinions are bound to be ignited...

[Kiyouta]

I think I am going to be sick.....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/apdaily/033104-12v.htm

Yer they showed that clip on BBC News recently. Of course they censored it. A while ago i saw a programme on the Genocides in Rwanda, that clip on the internet was just as disturbing.

[Seal89999]

I mean those people are just barbarians...animals....they are not human and dont deserve to be treated as such.

To kill an unarmed civilian is wrong but to then beat the corpse with a metal rod and then tie it to a car and drag it along down the streets and then hang it up from a bridge is just monsterous....

It makes me so angry......

Scott was a good man, he did alot for his country and other people....and to have his life taken away by those animals is terrible.....they were all good guys...it just totally sickens me...

[ordos45]

Sad news indeed. 

And yes, Tony, that's why you're not in charge of the Occupation.  Killing innocents only incites the flames of hate.

[Wolf]

I think this should serve as something to strengthen coalition resolve. If we leave, or if we mess up, this is what happens, only on a much bigger scale. If any Coalition backs out now, all it will do is prove that tactics like this work, and will further encourage their use.

[Inoculator9]

This is just proof to me that that area is in a social-limbo of sorts, stuck in the pas where:

I mean those people are just barbarians...animals....they are not human and dont deserve to be treated as such.

To kill an unarmed civilian is wrong but to then beat the corpse with a metal rod and then tie it to a car and drag it along down the streets and then hang it up from a bridge is just monsterous....

Was acceptable. Because face it, our ancestors would have acted similarly if not worse.

[Dante]

What annoys me is when people detract from others based on the actions of said others. Lets just say for example, calling a group of people "animals" for venting their frustration a bit.

It's natural behaviour. It relieves pent-up anger; it may not be entirely tasteful but they must have some reason to do it or, obviously, they wouldn't do it. Everything has a reason, and the secret to stopping things like this happening is not to criticise afterwards, it's to remove the reasons for doing it.

Or the people. Whichever you prefer.

[Seal89999]

The people it is....

And I know that in old times it was brutal but they would not have descrased a body as badly as that. Perhaps hung it for the public to view but lighting it on fire, beating it with a stick and dragging it through the streets is not just. There is no reason for that, no reason at all....

[Wolf]

Well, one body was literally torn to pieces. It fell apart easily because it was so badly scorred and charred. Another one was dragged through the streets, and the skull was crushed into charcol. The other two were hung from the bridge, but one only had stumps where the major limbs were, and the other was missing both arms and the head. I believe the heads of all four men were either crushed, or otherwise desecrated.

[exatreide]

It worked for the Romans.  :)

And its not like it matters if they hate us, most already do. Punish them for the attacks as you would punish a child, and they will learn. We dont plan on staying forever either, a small base or something to help suport the new goverment for awhile. But once they take control we can leave, and they can hate us all they want it wont matter. But attacks like these can not go unpunished.

Crush the will to fight and you crush the fighters. Dont tell me its barbaric either. The british and americans did the same thing to Germany in the second world war, bombing raids to crush the will power of the Germans, and by the end none of the Germans wanted anything to do with war, their cities were bombed to peices and their families killed.

It may sound brutal, but it worked very well from the Roman age to the second world war and their is no damn reason that it would not work now. This is war ladies and gentlemen no a tea party. And the simple fact of war is people die. Wake up, if it works to stop the militia and it creates peace do it.

[Seal89999]

It worked for the Romans.

[Avrillian_Sard01]

...it reminds me of something...

Something in America's past...

That was the very same thing w/c US soldiers faced when they were in Somalia in 1993. October, to be more precise.

I advise going to this site to know more...

http://inquirer.philly.com/packages/somalia/sitemap.asp

I believe there was something said there about mutilated dead bodies of American soldiers...

I wonder if what the Somalians felt about the US presence is also felt by the Iraqis...

[alchemi2]

This is the problem with armed liberation, bringing peace with the gun, at some point you have to give the gun to the liberated and they might just turn round and use it on you, due to the fact you killed a relative or friend of theirs in that libration.

Also some of them enjoyed the power they had over life and death pre your arrival and want to go back to the old ways.

IMO though you can't allow these people to get away with it. so declare an amnesty for all publicly and then give them a week to disarm. Follow that up with the statement anyone seen to be carryng a weapon will be shot on sight no arguement no trial no discussion just kill them end of story.

It may be brutal and barbaric but it's what is needed before any sort of peace can be achieved. disarming the rebels, tribes and insurgents is the only way to progress

The same goes for afghanistan and burn all drug crops to stop it being away of earning money.

I know it's not the most PC solution but it would eventually create a safer society.

[nemafakei]

"This is war ladies and gentlemen no a tea party"

Well, actually, if it were, Bush would have no defence against things like the Geneva Convention. But he didn't use the word "war" as far as I can remember.

"They have to be punished and learn that they cannot commit these terrible acts. If they want to act like animals then they should be treated like animals..."

Deal with the criminals how you like, but Ex's suggestion, which you support, is killing people who are behaving perfectly well at the behest of the criminal (when they kill). If you go on like that, then eventually, you end up with a country filled with criminals alone. An eye for an eye, as per Gandhi, leaves us all blind.

[Dante]

There is a reason for everything. Nothing happens randomly. You find the reason, you remove it, the events will cease.

[Egeides]

Totally sick......

Those people are nothing but scum. They should all be killed.

Sure, do worst... but I don't think it would be to respect his memory anyway. It is sad to see he died though, just as all other deaths forming a multitude of personal tragedies. On both sides.

[Anathema]

"This is war ladies and gentlemen no a tea party"

Well, actually, if it were, Bush would have no defence against things like the Geneva Convention. But he didn't use the word "war" as far as I can remember.

The Geneva convention applies regardless wether or not a war has been declared. The fact that they don't seem to be bothered by violating the treaty on a daily basis is another thing.

Some of you need to keep in mind that it's a slim minority that commits this sort of acts.

[Seal89999]

That commit the acts, but the majority of Iraqi's support it. If they were truly thankful and wanted us around they would not do this. And the people who did like us would help take action to stop the small group. They dont want us there, all we are doing is getting our soldiers killed. I say we pull out now, and let them go to hell. Let them do what its there country. Theres no point in trying to help people that dont want to be helped. We freed them from Saddam, job done...

All that is going to happen from staying longer is more deaths like this.

[Wolf]

You do realize that, by that attitude, you are giving into the desires of the very criminals who killed those men? Also, if you really feel the majority of Iraqis feel that way, do some research. I know that an ABC news poll was quoted here showing that at least 48% of Iraqis approve of what we did (with 39% not in approval), and if you would like to look at Iraqi blogs, check out iraqthemodel.blogspot.com. I think you will get a different perspective from them.

I do not think the US should pull out immediately. If it does, it proves terrorism works. The US should pull out, but only once the nation has been stabilized and terrorism has clearly lost the battle.

[Seal89999]

How do you think we got those results? Do you think that we had Iraqi's go and cast there votes...yeah I am sure. If they really were grateful they would make steps to stop the terrible acts.

Its there country we should stop getting in other's problems. Too many have died for stupid reasons. Those people are brutal and dont deserve much. They got there freedom from saddam, there is nothing more to give. We did the hard part now let them take care of the rest. No point in staying around to have our soldiers be targets.

If they really need to be babysitted that badly let the UN handle it. Its not the US's problem anymore. We are not fighting the war on terrorism by babysitting Iraq. We should be hunting down osama and his cronies. And actually focusing our efforts on defending our own turf insted of other peoples.