Procyon Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 What are the suboids? If they are mindless humans that were created, why they don`t work for the Tleilaxu instead of Ix? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 argh, dont mention suboids, stupid creation! bleh...lolanyways wouldnt that be a pretty simple idea to cover? They were created by house vernius, therefore they work for house vernius. Just because there was some biological dabbling doesnt mean the tleilaxu have to be involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Over time they could have genetically been changed that way from normal humans because of the environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leto le Juste Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Ix house is not able to created suboids cause it is a too risky chance program and it is cost too much too buy such a biotechno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Necroticon Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 Suboids... hmmm... are they the Ix slaves? the ones that revolt in one of the emperor missions? So easily killed. Bring in a group of 6 or 7 fremen warriors, watch the slaughter begin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 In the prequels, the Suboids were the mindless workhorses of House Vernius of Ix. Essentially yes, they were slaves, but their will had been bred out of them, so they were oblivious of the concepts of bondage or freedom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 In the prequels, House Vernius were the Ixians. That is, the planet Ix was controlled by House Vernius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Harkonnen Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 later other houses has also controlled the planet. that is why people of ix are called ixians, and not like the inhabitants of Giedi Prime which get the name of their house, Harkonnens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harq al-Harba Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 In the prequels, the Suboids were the mindless workhorses of House Vernius of Ix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 I dont think that it is only for the tleilaxu, at least for the suboids. this is why.One, the ixians (vernius) hated the tleilaxu, and didnt want anything to do with them.two, the type of genetic manipulation for making suboids is relatively simple compared to making gholas, face dancers and so on. People only came to the tleilaxu for the products with which only they could make because of the axolotl tank. such as twisted mentats, face dancers, blah blah. You dont need the axolotl tank for certain kinds of genetic manipulation, but the axolotl tank is the only source for those special genetic tamperings that only the tleilaxu had. Many houses asked for other things that are relatively simple, sex slaves and the like, but the technology that ix had seems to me that they could do some of their own sorts of primitive genetic manipulation.three, to ask the tleilaxu to make that many suboids would be murder to the pocket books to the ixians.Also, I forgot, but were they genetically manipulated beings? or were they just slowly bred through generations to destroy their will? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted January 29, 2004 Share Posted January 29, 2004 I imagine it involved genetics but I can't be sure.And honestly, I don't think the Ixians in the original series would make anything remotely like Suboids. It... it just doesn't seem in character with the tech-wizards they are. And the Tleilaxu wouuldn't do that because Tleilaxu creations have loyalty and the like molded during their growth in axlotl tanks. A will-less sub-human wouldn't be necessary, because gholas and face dancers have no reason in their minds, to revolt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 remember tleilaxu creatures werent all loyal, piter is an example. Not only that, tleilaxu creations that are loyal are bred to subtrifuge, bred to blend in with the enemy so that they can destroy from the inside out. so that isnt an issue.I dont think it is an issue that the suboids couldnt be created by the ixians, because that kind of genetic tempering doesnt require an axolotl tank. Is it illegal? probably, but it could be done pretty easily by outside forces with such technology. I just think it was bad writing to create the suboids, for many reasons that I could not list in the amount of time I have right now.lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Oh, of course Tleilaxu creations could be disloyal, I just meant the ones they used themselves. They seem almost unfailingly loyal, at least to their specific master. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 I seem to recall that the Suboids were "bred" (with some tampering) rather than "grown".Like TMA, I don't really like the idea of the Suboids at all. Of course, I don't particularly approve of Ix being House-controlled. I always saw it as a para-Landsraad organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 yeah, I saw it as somewhat connected, like they were a people from before the jihad "programites". Thought of them as more of a disconnected confederacy of sorts. Working for the landsraad as you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 I thought of them as "equals" as tleilaxu, Guild and Bene Gesserit.They were not really a house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egeides Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 erm... are these suboids from FRANK Herbert? Sorry, my memory doesn't clearly recall these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Harkonnen Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 why wouldn't ix be house controlled? does the original books say anything about it?what does the DE say about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 the DE says that the ixians, along with the richesians come from Komos (think that is the right spelling) and were originally "programmites". They were on the side of thinking machines, they were eventually chased, and were some of the only remaining groups of technological makers that originated from pre jihad times. The guild came from the same people, and even the tleilaxu might have been pro computer castes that hid after the jihad. at least that is what the DE says.In one of the dune books, frank herbert wrote that it was a confederacy, if I remember right. It is NEVER mentioned that they are a house, or have a ruling family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted January 30, 2004 Share Posted January 30, 2004 Frank Herbert never wrote about suboids that I know of.(Brian and Kevin idea) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 Frank never mentioned much about Ix at all, really. It was merely the mysterious origin of technological goodies. It is never said that they are a part of the Landsraad proper, and like TMA, I recall an allusion to the "Ixian Confederacy". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor Harkonnen Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 but the richese is a house, why would Ix be as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inoculator9 Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 Yes, in Chapterhosue and Heretics, Ix was refered to as the Ixian Confederacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 Does that mean that they were always a confederacy though? Or just that they became one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMA_1 Posted January 31, 2004 Share Posted January 31, 2004 I dont recall richese being a house in the original books, only in the prequels as well.I remember it being called a confederacy, or mentioning it even in messiah, could be wrong though. it never implies it to be a house at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.