The Prophecies of Nostradamus

[Atomic Mitten]

Has anyone read these prophecies ?

Especially about the so called future ruler of Europe, Henri the great(Grande).

Funny that the Duke of Luxembourg is called Henri ?

Also that Nostradamus mentions this leader being of the French tongue.

I must admit after recent world events, some of his Prophecies are coming true, a bit later than he said, but as the experts arn't sure which calender he based his predictions on it could be correct, time wise.

He also put his writings in a form of code, that experts are still trying to crack.

[EWS]

Some of this guys stuff is realyl freaky.  I remember reading it when I was younger and just being blown away by it.  I mean the guy predicted that JFK would be killed, then his brother and his cousin.  It's just freaky.

[Dude_Doc]

Maybe now and then, people with special psionic abilities are born? Maybe Nostradamus was one of those, and his special ability was, like we can read, just hints of the future.

This is what I mean. First, about time. I don't think time, future time, things that has not yet come to pass (LotR hehe), are not, how to put it, "stable". For example, you can "predict" that Mr. Joe will be murdured by his friend, but you can not predict that he will be murdured at this exact time, or exactly how the murder occured (knife, pistol, head or body damage etc).

I believe so because I don't think that the future is somehow directed. We are given a choice. Some things Nostradamus predicted did not occur, is one way to see it.

My point here is that "prediction" is a form of "chance", and those that have the ability too "sence" the future, has in other words, the better ability to know what outcome of the many posibiities will be the most probable one.

Also, in a recent scientific magazine I bought, there is a theory that there are infinite amouts of universes, both parallell and totally different. Our universe, according to this magazine, is one of many inside a "multiverse". All universes inside a multiverse share the same kind of rules, it didn't say anything more specific than that. Then, there are infinite multiverses, inside something even bigger, and so on.

That was one theory. Here is the second one, same magazine.

Our defenition of time is an illusion. We create parallell universes each single second. In another parallell universe, Germany won World War 2, another, JFK was never shot, and so on. Even now, I or you may not exist in another universe, because one of us were killed last year, and so on. So each moment creates a new world. And that world, in turn, creates another world each time there is a matter of choice.

Example: I play russian roulette. I spin the barrel and pull the trigger, nothing happens. I survive. But, the barrel contains 6 rounds. This means that not only one parallell world is created, but six. And in one of those six ones, I had the bad luck of triggering the bullet.

The point of all this is that maybe we can "feel" the future of other parallell worlds. What if there is another theory, that there are other universes, but time is different. Here it is 2004, but in another one the year is 2104. Maybe we can "feel" those future events, because they have already happened there, but not yet here. Actually, even I have had strange deja vus of places I've never been in before. At least not in this life, in this universe.

Anyways, sorry for the whole long text, but I really felt for posting this opinion, while we are on it. These are theories so take them lightly ;) .

[Anathema]

Of course if you make a million prophecies, and make them vague enough, some of them will come true. And when people only cite those who did come through --> instant reputation. That's how I view him.

For one thing he predicted an earthquake to occur in California at one time (don't remember wich date he predicted). This is pretty lame because California is a geologicly unstable region and is regularily affected by earthquake- but in the year Nostradamus named nothing happened.

He also predicted a huge war would break out at the end of 2001, well we're still here, aren't we?

[The_Sadukar]

on the other hand he also said that "The King of Fear" would return to the world in 1999, and that Mars would at that time fight for the good cause

[Atomic Mitten]

Of course if you make a million prophecies, and make them vague enough, some of them will come true. And when people only cite those who did come through --> instant reputation. That's how I view him.

For one thing he predicted an earthquake to occur in California at one time (don't remember wich date he predicted). This is pretty lame because California is a geologicly unstable region and is regularily affected by earthquake- but in the year Nostradamus named nothing happened.

He also predicted a huge war would break out at the end of 2001, well we're still here, aren't we?

It seems pretty amazing that Nostradamus predicted earth quakes in California, as America hadn't been discovered when he wrote them.lol

[Atomic Mitten]

on the other hand he also said that "The King of Fear" would return to the world in 1999, and that Mars would at that time fight for the good cause

As I already stated in my first post, the experts are not sure which calender Nostradamus based his prophecies on.

[Edric O]

Nostradamus's prophecies are so vague and cryptic that they can be interpreted to mean just about anything. That's all there is to it.

No one has made any prediction based on Nostradamus's prophecies that actually came true. They just show up after the fact and say "oh, look, Nostradamus prophecized this!". I'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way.

[Anathema]

It seems pretty amazing that Nostradamus predicted earth quakes in California, as America hadn't been discovered when he wrote them.lol

He didn't mention California, but people interpreted it as such.

[shygirl4]

absolute nonesense , its fiction and thats all , Nostradamus could no more predict the future than i could .

shy  ::)

[Caid Ivik]

What? Future ruler of Europe is Ivan, that's for sure!  ;D

[Mahdi]

Nostradamus's prophecies are so vague and cryptic that they can be interpreted to mean just about anything. That's all there is to it.

No one has made any prediction based on Nostradamus's prophecies that actually came true. They just show up after the fact and say "oh, look, Nostradamus prophecized this!". I'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way.

Yup, hindsight is 20/20.  Total BS.  For example, look at that graduate students thesis he wrote that fooled most of the world into thinking Nostrodamus predicted 9/11.

[Dude_Doc]

Well, actually, about that Great War he apparently "predicted", War on Terror could be that one. I mean, we may not think about it mutch, but it is being "waged" right now as we speak...

[SurlyPIG]

Nostradamus's prophecies are so vague and cryptic that they can be interpreted to mean just about anything. That's all there is to it.

No one has made any prediction based on Nostradamus's prophecies that actually came true. They just show up after the fact and say "oh, look, Nostradamus prophecized this!". I'm sorry, but it doesn't work that way.

Those statements, which I completely agree with, can be applied to pretty much every prophecy ever written.

[Edric O]

I disagree. Some prophecies can be concise and straightforward. For example, "not a bone of his body shall be broken" (Bible prophecy referring to the Messiah).

[shygirl4]

I didn`t realise the bible was factual.

::)

[nemafakei]

As I recall, about half of Nostradamus' 'prophecies' are said to have come true. But the question in Nostradamus' case is the interpretation - his language is abstract, and in slightly quirky archaic French (with the odd one in German and Latin). There si rumor of use of the ablative absolute, which, when applied to french, means there are dozens of translations, and dozens upon scores of meanings.

This is an analogy:

"With the absence of the adjudicator, the robed ones are set aside by the black-faced masses"

Name the historical event to which I'm referring.

[Dude_Doc]

I'm not into predictions and such anyways... I believe that humans do have psionic abilities, either have them now without knowing how to use them, or it will evolve in the future.

[scotsman]

This I believe is a classic case of applying fact to fiction. There has been enough history between the creation of the prophecies and present day that you look through actual history and apply it to the most appropriate prophecy.

I'm sure if I said "the sea would once again claim the desert", this statement would become fact given enough time, hence a prophecy is born.

I have more respect for people like Leonardo da Vinci who had the imagination to think man could fly and travel below the water well before planes and diving bells were even thought of. He even had the ability to put these thoughts onto paper (a picture is worth a thousand words.  This statement is never more true when applied in this case.

[shygirl4]

Well said Scotty  ::)

[Sardauker-Kirov]

Anyone could predict a 'great war' coming or a madman trying to take over the world.

And they said Nostradamus mentioned 'metal birds/wagons'

Once again, everyone can predict this.

Automation of transport was every man's dream in those days.

[Dante]

Interesting that this discussion should come up now. Nostrdamus is also daid to have predicated the rise of three great 'anti-christs.' Men who would cause great suffering for their own reasons. The first is widely interpreted to have been Napoleon. The second Hitler. The third is supposed to appear round about this time and is refered to far more vaguely than the other two.

At this point it is interesting to note that Nostradamus did in fact predict events outside Europe (including in America), but he was far more vague. More so than usual that is. Thus America being undiscovered by Europeans at the time had little to do with it.

He is vague in connection with this third 'anti-christ' but refers to them as 'Mabus.' Some turn this backwards (think like a mirror) and say it looks like 'Saddam,' (sudam, Saddam) but personally I think that's a load of rubbish. -bus, Bush. And M is just an upside-down W. W Bush. Interesting, no? Of course this is pure speculation. But though it is true that hindsight often forms the basis for Nostramdamus' predications now, perhaps this is merely because we cannot understand him? Or his way of thinking. And he was only human after all humans make errors.

In his own time he proved quite accurate. He predicted that Henry the second of France (I think it was him) would die in great pain in a jousting accident in his 41st year. He was correct. There are other examples but my point is made.

Incidentally Nema, I can't find that phrase in any of his quatrains.

[Mahdi]

Napoleon?  The Anti-christ?  That's a joke, right?

[Dante]

Not the, he was one of many evil men that for the sake of simplicity were refered to as 'anti-christs' in a non-religious sense.

According to Nostradamus.

[Mahdi]

Not the, he was one of many evil men that for the sake of simplicity were refered to as 'anti-christs' in a non-religious sense.

According to Nostradamus.

Napoleon?  Evil?  You're still joking, right?