Teleportation, fact or fiction?

Sardauker-Kirov · November 29, 2003

If you know what it means, look at Star-Trek and all those other Sci-fi movies etc.

I doubt that Instant Teleportation can ever be possible, you see movies talk about 'atoms and cells' teleporting to the destination, but if your atoms break down, you're basicly dead.

Unless.....

Mahdi · November 29, 2003

They have already teleported particals of light and atoms.

I doubt it will be ever like Star Trek, more likely a propulsion system of some kind.

Acriku · November 29, 2003

Fiction today, fact tomorrow. We've successfully "jumped" particles, but if it can get any more complex than that we shall see.

Edric O · November 29, 2003

Even if you could take something apart particle by particle, how exactly do you expect to put it back together again? You might run into a few problems with the Uncertainty Principle...

Egeides · November 29, 2003

The studies that were done until now are not really about taking something in one place and bring it somewhere else since in fact it is using the material present in the second place to build the same thing that was to be "teleported" from the first place.

Dante · November 29, 2003

Teleporting 'Star Trek' way has, I think, been proven impossible. Nonetheless, options remain open. Not so long ago the most notable scientists would have cackled hysterically at the idea of genetically crossing fish and potatos, but it's been done...

Sardauker-Kirov · November 29, 2003

It can be possible if there is 'alien' technology in our hands that doesn't our physics.

What is impossible for us, might be possible for them.

It would be still sweet if you can teleport to a whole other planet in a snap.

DukeLeto · November 30, 2003

The main problem is simply being able to scan a being exactly enough to put it back together correctly at the atomic level. You wouldn't have to move the particles themselves, per se, you could use material at the target location. Theoretically, if you had the atomic makeup correct (or close enough), you would get the exact same person, with the same memories, thoughts, feelings, etc., since it's all just coded in synaptic reactions.

But religious types would say that wouldn't work because of all that "soul" stuff. Perhaps the ultimate test of religion...hmmm...

Egeides · November 30, 2003

Or is the soul ALSO transported through matter? mmm.... :)

Maybe another person is created :P Woa... I had never seen these ideas behind teleportation.

ordos45 · November 30, 2003

Or is the soul ALSO transported through matter? mmm.... :)
Maybe another person is created :P Woa... I had never seen these ideas behind teleportation.

Outer Limits Episode-Think Like A Dinosaur. That's pretty much the premise behind the entire episode. :)

http://www.theouterlimits.com/episodes/season7/711.htm

Acriku · November 30, 2003

Or is the soul ALSO transported through matter? mmm.... :)

Good luck trying to prove that. ;)

Maybe another person is created :P Woa... I had never seen these ideas behind teleportation.

If you copy the genetic code of the individual, and transport each particle, and redraw the person, the person would in essence be the same.

Dante · November 30, 2003

It can be possible if there is 'alien' technology in our hands that doesn't our physics.
What is impossible for us, might be possible for them.

Physics doesn't change depending on what species you are. What will work for them should work for us unless something in our physical or physiological construction doesn't allow it. If physics stops us, it stops them too.

Sardauker-Kirov · November 30, 2003

Well, so long your body is alive, your soul is stuck to it.

If you believe in the binding of spirit and body.

Although, teleportation might not be possible.

"Near-Instant teleportation" is possible, however.

Timenn · November 30, 2003

It depends on what you consider teleportation. If you mean that you will travel to another spot instantly, then the most "logical" way is to work with copy and remove (copy the object, and remove the object from where it came) this will likely be with the speed of light, because you have data-transmission.

If you mean travelling instantly, it will be (even) more difficult, and you have to find a way to communicate instantly (thanks to quantum physics?)

nemafakei · November 30, 2003

Expansion (I think) on Edric's statement:

According to the Heisenberg Principle, it is not possible to know both the location and velocity of any given particle, since by discovering one, you invalidate the other. Hence, it is not possible to reconstruct something accurately.

Plus, you'd still need all the right material at the other end.

alexholker · December 1, 2003

I heard that the scientists/researchers found a way to overcome this, which they used when teleporting the photons, etc. I can't remember how, unfortunately.

Alex

Scrinlord · December 2, 2003

I dont really think that the uncertainty principal can be overcome. I do not believe that personal teleportation is possible, but maybe vehicular or large scale teleportation, involving wormholes and the like.

nemafakei · December 2, 2003

Be aware tat photons and electrons do normally move in a sort of teleportative fashion. It gets complicated, though, when considrering the wave nature od he probablility of small particles.

Scrinlord · December 2, 2003

it is not really teleportation tho, it is just extremely fast erratic movement, not really teleportation.

Sneakgab · December 16, 2003

''The main problem is simply being able to scan a being exactly enough to put it back together correctly at the atomic level. You wouldn't have to move the particles themselves, per se, you could use material at the target location. Theoretically, if you had the atomic makeup correct (or close enough), you would get the exact same person, with the same memories, thoughts, feelings, etc., since it's all just coded in synaptic reactions.''

Destroying an object in a certain location and then re-creating is not what people have in mind as such when they think of tele-portation, although this is how I managed teleportation myself (in my starcraft campaighn that I created for myself that is:D).

However, I assume that the original person in question being teleported in this manner ceases to exist along with his life. Otherwise, you could say that if somebody died but was cloned he is still living his life. This is probably incorrect, as a new mind, if similar, mind inhabits the new body. With the form of teleportation where atoms and energy are actually moved though, one would imagine that the mind would come along on the trip.

I've never seen the fore-mentioned outer limits episode but I have wondered about this sort of thing since I saw teleportation in star trek

Acriku · December 17, 2003

What is a mind but a conscience from connected neurons in a complicated organ? If those same neurons connected in the same way to make a new brain, giving the same conscience, then how is it a different mind?

TMA_1 · December 17, 2003

they have only been able to teleport photons, which are so quantomly small and have no or little to no mass that I think we are far away from cells or even atoms...

Acriku · December 17, 2003

No doubt, I was merely arguing technicalities.

However, today's onlooks can be tomorrow's reality. Literally.

TMA_1 · December 17, 2003

true, but usually people take into account too much pop culture, and usually think that we will have impossible technologies within 200 years. Like warp drive or something. You know your stuff, but you should know what I mean, it is important not to think of advancements in the normal way of thinking.

Emperor Harkonnen · December 17, 2003

since they don't have this technology in dune I don't believe it will be possible. at least not in 30.000 years.

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