KJA + BH

Andrew · October 17, 2003

The main problem I had with the prequels is that they would repeat stuff that we already knew.(repeatedly) This would involve skipping certain paragraphs because you already read it 30 pages ago. The thing I liked about Frank is that you had to read back 30 pages to try and figure out what was going on and that it was just so darn good.(made you think), I remember reading Dune Messiah, I read the stoneburner part about 5 times, then continued on.

But I still enjoyed the prequels so please don't bash me. :-[ ;)

Timenn · October 17, 2003

I was never saying that the prequels were awful and pathetic books. Actually, I liked them when I read them for the first time.

But I don't like the attitude of BH and KJA. And not that the books are considered 'official'. Official because of the rights they have? Maybe that is formally said so, but never really 'official'...

They are fan fiction, nothing more, but they can publish it because they have the rights, that's all.

I never said that fan fiction was bad quality.

Dante · October 17, 2003

Not bad quality as such. I mean yes, they're books with good storylines (now is that because they came up with them, or because it's based on Frank Herbert's notes?) but really they aren't told very well. I think they are "spewing facts" at us in order to pave the way for Dune7/8.

Like I said, not bad. Just infinately worse than the originals. And lets face it, whether they plan on it or not, they're writing part of the same series and thus have to try and live up to the originals.

Not particularly well.

Emperor Harkonnen · October 17, 2003

This is how I see this:

against the prequels: Andrew, Nema Fakei, NaMpIgAi, Duncan Ghola, Timenn, Vanguard3000 and Dust scout

not against the prequels: dUnEnEwT, me(Emperor Harkonnen), xenogear74, NHJ BV and ilexatrei

Dante · October 17, 2003

Not all of the others definately chose a 'side' in this argument, though I think I did. But even if they had, that makes it 8:4.

Andrew · October 17, 2003

Never said I was against BH+KJA writing Dune books. :)

Just thought they could be better.(I own 2 of their prequel books)

Timenn · October 17, 2003

I own 4 of them.

You can't reall be 'against' the prequels. It's not that I will order my army to destroy them.

But like you said, it was the way you see it. And I can't change that :-)

xenogear74 · October 17, 2003

well regardless, i'd say we're all cool as hell just for being Dune fans, so regardless of WHAT Dune you wanna read, at least we've got good taste! ;D

NHJ BV · October 17, 2003

This is how I see this:
against the prequels: Andrew, Nema Fakei, NHJ BV, NaMpIgAi, Duncan Ghola, Timenn, Vanguard3000 and Dust scout
not against the prequels: dUnEnEwT, me(Emperor Harkonnen), xenogear74 and ilexatrei

I never said that I was against the prequels (or my memory is failing me). I actually like them :)

Duncan_ghola · October 17, 2003

If you were "raised" on the prequels then sure, but if you were raised on the originals no.
Most people who seen Lynch's Dune in the 80's(or before they seen the minis) seem to like the movie, while people who seen the minis first, may tend to like the minis better than movie.
I was raised on Frank Herbert's Dune Mini, which I think is the best one so far. I also read the original books first which I think are better than the prequels.
But to say the prequels are a waste of paper, is a bit too far. If you don't like em, dont read em. (of course you would have had to read at least one prequel to form a bias.) I think the prequels are good books, but I havent read any of them for the second time yet, but I have read the originals twice or more.

It doesnt matter which one you read or saw first i started with house atriedies and moved on to the originals. Now that i look back on the prequels they do seem like a waste, as for the movie and miniseries i prefer not to watch either ever again

ilexatrei · October 18, 2003

I completely diagree with Duncan Ghola. I think the 80's Lynch is a good grabber for people. Than they should work from the prequels upto the originals. And after they read the original Dune they should watch the miniseries. Than after they read both Dune Messiah and Children of Dune they should watch that miniseries and than go on and finish the books.

Andrew · October 18, 2003

No read originals first. That is the best way. :) (along with movie/mini's) Then prequels, as they can give some spoilers away.

Duncan_ghola · October 18, 2003

I completely diagree with Duncan Ghola. I think the 80's Lynch is a good grabber for people. Than they should work from the prequels upto the originals. And after they read the original Dune they should watch the miniseries. Than after they read both Dune Messiah and Children of Dune they should watch that miniseries and than go on and finish the books.

that has nothing to do with what i said, im not giving advice as to which books or movies to read or watch before the other, next time try reading the quote im responding to

Vanguard3000 · October 18, 2003

I never said i was "against" the prequels either. I just think they're fairly poorly written, and I don't consider them canon.

ilexatrei · October 19, 2003

I completely diagree with Duncan Ghola. I think the 80's Lynch is a good grabber for people. Than they should work from the prequels upto the originals. And after they read the original Dune they should watch the miniseries. Than after they read both Dune Messiah and Children of Dune they should watch that miniseries and than go on and finish the books.
that has nothing to do with what i said, im not giving advice as to which books or movies to read or watch before the other, next time try reading the quote im responding to

I did read what the quote said...However, the way that you wrote left something to be desired on your grasp of the english language and how to manipulate words to your desire.

Emperor Harkonnen · October 19, 2003

okey maybe some I said are not against them, but you don't like them and therefore I see that you are against them.

sorry NHJ BV, I will edit my post and change you to not against. ;)

NHJ BV · October 19, 2003

to not against. ;)

Thanks :)

Duncan_ghola · October 19, 2003

well i wrote it the way i did because i inteded to get a responce from Andrew, if i knew you were going to make an ass out of your self i wouldve written it in a way so you would be able to understand it, although that would take some effort

Andrew · October 19, 2003

Back on topic.

If you like KJA then read an interview with him (it's Long and informative)

A Conversation With Kevin J. Anderson

And if you don't like him you don't have to read it. :)

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