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Edric O · September 21, 2003

I just wanted to give you a link to a very interesting site I just found: anti-fascism.org. It contains many articles and documents that can be extremely useful to anyone who wishes to combat fascism and racism, especially on the internet. But even if you don't normally argue against that kind of people, it's still a very interesting read.

Smash the Right!

Navaros · September 21, 2003

what a bunch of morons

you can't lump in fascism with racism

they are too very different things. i am totally fascist but i am not racist at all.

i won't be clicking on a link to a site made by people so stupid that they don't even know what the difference between fascism and racism is

Anathema · September 21, 2003

Many of them were. The 2 prime facist powers in history (Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini) were both anti semitic.

nemafakei · September 21, 2003

Nav, take care to read people's posts before replying.

Edric said "fascism and racism". Not 'fascism, which is racist'.

If I made a site condemning pantomime and pornography, you would not automatically assume I was confusing the two.

"i won't be clicking on a link to a site made by people so stupid that they don't even know what the difference between fascism and racism is"

Without clicking on the link, you cannot tell whether or not the site is actually differenciating between the two... Even though you failed to read Edric's statement correctly, all that would say is that he (not necessarily the site) had confused them.

Mind, why should I care about the opinions of people so stupid that they don't even know what the difference between a conjunction and the verb 'to be'?

Navaros · September 21, 2003

Nav, take care to read people's posts before replying.
Edric said "fascism and racism". Not 'fascism, which is racist'.
If I made a site condemning pantomime and pornography, you would not automatically assume I was confusing the two.
"i won't be clicking on a link to a site made by people so stupid that they don't even know what the difference between fascism and racism is"
Without clicking on the link, you cannot tell whether or not the site is actually differenciating between the two... Even though you failed to read Edric's statement correctly, all that would say is that he (not necessarily the site) had confused them.
Mind, why should I care about the opinions of people so stupid that they don't even know what the difference between a conjunction and the verb 'to be'?

Nema i don't need to click on the link because i can already see they are crossing-out a RACIST symbol and labelling that act as being ANTI-FASCIST.

and you certainly are in no position to call *me* stupid seeing as *you* are incapable of capitalizing certain Proper Nouns which must be capitalized

nemafakei · September 21, 2003

Well, if you're going to be picky, the swastika was an ancient symbol representing luck, and used by the Etruscans, among others.

I was not calling you stupid, merely making a sarcastic remark to mirror your own.

"and you certainly are in no position to call *me* stupid seeing as *you* are incapable of capitalizing certain Proper Nouns which must be capitalized "

This sentence has 3 capitalisation mistakes and no punctuation to speak of, so I don't know why you are complaining about my slight errors in instant messaging conversations.

Furthermore, the point I was trying to make (and of which you have taken no account whatsoever) is that Edric's post did not state that fascism and capitalism were the same thing, and that you appeared to suggest his conjunction was an equative statement.

Navaros · September 21, 2003

Nema,

the difference between me and you is that i *choose* not to punctuate formally online and use artistic freedom when it comes to capital letters

you on the other hand, are *incapable* of capitalizing certain proper nouns that must be capitalized.

it does not matter what Edric0's post said. i could see by the image in his post that the site was making a very clear statement with that image: Nazism = Fascism

that statement is totally ludicrous, and hence the site is run by morons. what Edric0 has said has no bearing on the fact that that site is run by morons who don't know the difference between fascism and racism.

nemafakei · September 21, 2003

So you are saying that it is inconceivable that Nazism is a form of fascism! Hm. As a fascist, then, define fascism in its element, and we may analyse it, and perhaps yet salvage some converstaion.

"the difference between me and you is that i *choose* not to punctuate formally online and use artistic freedom when it comes to capital letters"

So you're saying that I do not *choose* to fail to capitalise a word which means 'little book' and is often capitalised because a group of people have taken the word as the title for their book.

Strange, you were accusing me previously (in the aforesaid conversation) of "trying to be deliberately offensive by writing the word Bible with a small "b"". And can't I too express artistic license?

"you on the other hand, are *incapable* of capitalizing certain proper nouns that must be capitalized"

I can press the shift key as much as anyone else, but sometimes lack of time during IMs (being less well prepared than formal posts) causes me to rush.

So am I doing things deliberately or not? Your message is unclear.

Navaros · September 21, 2003

"Oppressive, dictatorial control. " I accept this definition for fascism although it's not entirely the faults of the morons who run that site that they don't know the difference between fascism and racism because many dictionaries include their own political spin when defining words ::)

Nema as i said, you are *incapable* of capitalizing certain words which must be captitalized. it was not due to lack of time. i'd accept that reason if it were true; but that's a flat-out lie. time was not an issue at all in this matter. you "pride" yourself on having good grammar and punctuation; but really that pride is a facade since you are incapable of properly punctuating words which you dislike

nemafakei · September 21, 2003

I failed to properly capitalise and punctuate other things, too, but you were unconcerned with them, noticing only the "bible" as I wrote it, perhaps because you were so keen to label me as a bigot (and attempt an excuse, albeit tenuous, for ignoring my logic).

""pride" yourself on having good grammar and punctuation"

On Fed2k, yes. I aim for a lower standard on IM converstions, because there is less time.

""Oppressive, dictatorial control. " I accept this definition for fascism"

Right, so was Nazi Germany oppressive and dictatorial?

In which case it was fascist.

If you're saying that Nazi Germany was NOT oppressive and dictatorial, you've got an uphill struggle ahead.

Navaros · September 21, 2003

Fascism is not ***EQUIVALENT*** to Racism - but the banner of that site states that it *IS* with it's crossed-out Nazi symbol sitting next to the words "FIGHTING FASCISM"

whether or not the Nazi Regime had fascist elements is irrelevant to that fact.

Sardauker-Kirov · September 21, 2003

There are many kinds of Nazism/Fascism

The Neo Nazis however, is the most active group that tries to 'white' the countries.

Hitler basicly hated everybody that wasn't Germanic.

Dude_Doc · September 21, 2003

Is nazism rising again or not, and do anyone have facts on this?

Andrew · September 21, 2003

I do not know if Nazism is related to the KKK, but I thought I read somehwere that before September 11 it was declining, but then after, it increased greatly.(membership)

Atomic Mitten · September 21, 2003

Re Nav puntuation.You mean like using a capital I after a full stop and starting a new sentence. lol ::)

ordos45 · September 22, 2003

http://www.splcenter.org/splc.html This should help with a lot of the questions. For White Supremacy groups, you'd probably want to look under the Intelligence Project area, it has more than 600 groups and information on them.

exatreide · September 22, 2003

600 groups? thats the way to defeat al qauda just give these guys guns and drop them over iran.....

fight terror with terror...

Caid Ivik · September 22, 2003

By the way, "Antifa" is the largest anarchistic faction in Slovakia. Nothing against, I myself supported their last campaign "Najdi si svojho nacka" (find your nazi) too. Fascism is a destructive and oppressive ideology, able to consume people of every thinking and set a ruling system, which cannot be overthrown from inside without foreign help. Two great fascist regimes are a reason, why we will once call last century as dark age: german nazism, segregative militaristic state trying to set the rule of "higher race" over mankind, later consumed by socialism, at least equal in oppressivity, trying to conquer the world trough sewing civil wars and nuclear power. Fascism is plague, it must be stopped before birth, if not, destroyed from roots.

nemafakei · September 22, 2003

"Fascism is not ***EQUIVALENT*** to Racism - but the banner of that site states that it *IS* with it's crossed-out Nazi symbol sitting next to the words "FIGHTING FASCISM""

Do you concede that Nazism was Fascist? It's not a hard question, Nav... you're sometimes as bad as empr when it comes to getting someone to answer simple questions...

If Nazism is fascist, then I do not see how using the swastika, being a symbol used by one of the most well known fascist r

emprworm · September 22, 2003

Nav... you're sometimes as bad as empr when it comes to getting someone to answer simple questions...

frustrating when not everyone in the world bends their knees to your "logic" isn't it Nema?

Dante · September 23, 2003

What's frustrating is when someone is clearly wrong and simply refuses to acknowledge the blindingly obvious fact.

nemafakei · September 23, 2003

"frustrating when not everyone in the world bends their knees to your "logic" isn't it Nema?"

Uhhh... I'm not even asking for genuflection - just a one word answer will do me. If your beliefs are so insecure they won't stand up to a yes/no/dunno answer then it's hardly "my" logic at fault!

Tio_Holtzmann · September 26, 2003

"Fascism is not ***EQUIVALENT*** to Racism - but the banner of that site states that it *IS* with it's crossed-out Nazi symbol sitting next to the words "FIGHTING FASCISM"

whether or not the Nazi Regime had fascist elements is irrelevant to that fact. "

so because the symbol belonged to a fascist regime <or rather fascist ELEMENTS within a regime> and it's put next to the word fascism doesnt make it relevant? EH?

my desperate-to-win-an-argument sense is tingling.....

Caid Ivik · September 26, 2003

First I don't know why is there a sign of hakenkreuz and not also i.e.red star. USSR was same as Grossdeutscher Reich, difference is only that nazists preferred Jews and soviets intellectuals as victims.

nemafakei · September 26, 2003

You can't put the symbol of every fascist country there.

Personally, I reckon a fasces would be clearer.

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