House

[Emperor Harkonnen]

What is a House?? What is the difference between the Houses?? Are they different human species?

[Gunseng_Harkonnen]

No, they are human (maybe exept Ordos). Houses are families who have planet or planets. Some families are more rich or have more privilages and then they are Great Houses.

[The_old_worm]

The Duniverse, at least in the first book, is set up in a Fuedal system.  The Houses control planets, some more than others, all answering to the Emperor.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

Thanks guys, now I know more about it. But that means that Houses are like nations and the planets are their territory?

But isn't it strange that the humans did not find any other intelligent species in the universe?, exept maybe Ordos as you said Gunseng

[The_old_worm]

yes, I think you could think of it that way.

I've thought that myself, but I think Frank Herbert wanted this to be a Human story.

[Alexander_Ordos]

Wait!! wait a minute :O

* Alexander looks at himself - he looks like a human*

Since when are The Great House Ordos not humans :-/?

[quoudam72]

I always thought the Ordos were "something" left over from the Butlerian Jihad. The higher archery that is not their infantry and such.

[Gunseng_Harkonnen]

Alexander, I didn`t want say YOU aren`t human. But look on the speaker. Maybe it is mutation if it isn`t another species

[jacobdouds]

The speaker is just someone who has a lot of additions to him. Like on movies when robots have shiny grey skin! But the guild steersmen were once human but are not any more.

[quoudam72]

True because we do not know openly what the Ordos are they are left to speculation but the Guild navigaitor we know used to be human once but is now a mutation from the spice. Maybe the Ordos are human but from what I know they are not.

[Nefud]

Hmm... I personally think, that Ordos are humans. Because: -in Dune2 their Mentat's a human (if they're not humans, why would they use a human mentat??)

-in Dune2k Edric 0 (the Mentat) IS a human, but he's boosted by machines

-in both games House Ordos' fighters are ALL humans, even the mutants (if there's any) are humans (like Guild Navigators as others mentioned)

But, don't forger, that House Ordos is not in the original Duniverse, they're just created by Westwood!!!

[Nefud]

The Empire of the Padisah Emperor looks like a this:

                                  Emperor

                                        I

                              Great Houses

                                        I

                               Houses Minor

The Guild            Bene Gesserit          The Mentats

(these last three are not under the strict order of the Emperor, but -somehow- are dependant on him)

                 C.H.O.A.M.            Landsraad

The Houses are humans, who (most of the time) live in the same planetsystem and have a ruler/monarch (baron, count, duke, etc.) controlling them.

There are several differences between the Houses (political, economical, substantial) and they're in 2 big groups: Houses Minor and Major. Some (or all) of the houses have place in CHOAM (an economical unity) and the Landsraad (council of the leaders or delegations of the Houses).

I hope this helps.  ;)

[Ligic_Tha_Master]

Westwood did not make up Ordos. Frank Herbert does mention them.

[Alexander_Ordos]

ExeCuTrix is a thinking machine yes... BUT he's used for cover up, I mean if Harkonnen would like destroy Ordos, offcourse they'd target on the ExeCuTrix... Emperor would target ExeCuTrix, BUT actualy the true leaders are hiding somewhere or scatered. Understand? it's more safe that way, Ordos are humans and the council are humans.

EXECUTRIX is just a cover...mystery...let them think we're freaks... Ordos style 8) ;D

[Acriku]

The games shouldn't even be considered because that is WestWood. But also if the Ordos aren't human, why would they be only species other than human that is intelligent?

[quoudam72]

Ligic show us which book Frank Herbert mentions the House of Ordos.  ???

Alexander Ordos you are without a doubt an Ordos because only a student of Ordos thinking would give that answer. It could be plausible but at the same time I find some other factors intriguing.   8)  ;D

The_Baron your point is good and valid but I still have my reasons for thinking that the Ordos could not be completely human.

Acriku does make a point that we always say within the Dune community. There never is mention of aliens in the Duniverse not even by Guild Navigators and would they not come in contact with alien life forms with their chief functioning being travel amongst the stars?

In conclusion to make myself better understood, I was saying that the Ordos were possibly "thinking machines" that escaped the Butlerian Jihad or maybe cyborgs somehow just a speculation on my part. :) Let's continue discussing though.

[jacobdouds]

Ordos is an entirely imaginary house made by westwood, they are not in any book except the DE.

[Acriku]

So it wasn't entirely imaginary by WestWood...

A little paradox thing going there...

[Gunseng_Harkonnen]

So who made the Ordos then?

[jacobdouds]

Westwood created Ordos, but the author of D:E put them in because they had become dune related.

[quoudam72]

Most likely the people at Westwood read the DE and chose to put a third House (Ordos) in the game to make it more interesting. They changed the design on the coat of arms for House Ordos.

[Emperor Harkonnen]

Personally I think that they should have used Tleilaxu instead of Ordos!

By the way thanks baron, your description of the Houses, guild, BG, Lansraad and so on where great now I have figured it all out.

Long live House Harkonnen!!!!!

[Gunseng_Harkonnen]

Ordos are so misterious...nobody knows where they were at first. But check date what was first, game or DE.

I think game...

[gunner154]

What is a House?? What is the difference between the Houses?? Are they different human species?

it is a side/team.

[Usul]

In the games yes but not in the books also I don't think the Tleilaxu were used because their not a Great House.

like the new sig?