bloke Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Forgive my ignorance but why are the Herberts unhappy with fan fiction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Its only if they profit off it I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiceGuid Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Its only if they profit off it I thinkI have a different understanding: seems clear to me that Brian Herbert finds fan fics undesirable and claims he has the competence to engage law pursuits, whenever he wants, wether profit is made or not.On the other hand we are not given a limit, a usage or mis-usage of the Duniverse that would trigger such an action.So if you write a non-profit fan fic, you are still in a pretty safe (yet precarious) situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egeides Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Brian Herbert's stuff IS fan fiction... the only difference is that he has the copyright and I suspect he wouldn't like to see some competition to his fanfic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiceGuid Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Forgive my ignorance but why are the Herberts unhappy with fan fiction?Brian Herbert appropriately estimates he has the monopoly of Dune related texts, which are the core of the Duniverse.If the available legal texts are not enough, you are supposed to feed your Dune appetite with licensed video and game derivatives, you are not legally supposed to read or write fan fics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiceGuid Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Last but not least: not only you are limited to legal Dune contents, but also you have to pay for it. Otherwise Brian Herbert is also unhappy(don't ask why ;)). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiceGuid Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Brian Herbert's stuff IS fan fiction... the only difference is that he has the copyright and I suspect he wouldn't like to see some competition to his fanfic.Yes, it's the only legal fanfic, so he considers any competition as a loss (or potential loss) of income. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHJ BV Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 legally supposed Could you please define "legally supposed"? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Or why three posts in a row were needed?If they sue people for writing fanfiction... The mods will be out of a job! :'( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard3000 Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Crap! I'm in the brainstorming/early phase of writing a short Dune-based story, too!*Vanguard3000 is screwed, because he plans to write and post his short story anyway.* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Raymond E. Feist is against people writing fanfics about his books (who is related to the game Betrayal At Krondor), and he also said instead of doing that, make up your own world. Which is exactly what I did. (it was after seeing that which started it all)http://www3.pei.sympatico.ca/~sherrya/check it out :)I put many weeks in to the map, which I still havent converted completely to one large file to edit easily.I still have to complete my large castles for each "faction"But sadly it hasnt been updated much in the last month. Look at the pretty elves. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunenewt Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Crap! I'm in the brainstorming/early phase of writing a short Dune-based story, too!*Vanguard3000 is screwed, because he plans to write and post his short story anyway.*Me too ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ordos45 Posted September 16, 2003 Share Posted September 16, 2003 Fanfiction.net has a list when you log in, of authors who won't allow fanfic to be submitted about their works, and will sue you.FanFiction.Net respects the expressed wishes of the following authors and will not archive entries based on their work: Anne Rice Anne McCaffrey Raymond Feist Robin McKinley Laurell K. Hamilton Nora Roberts/J.D. Robb Irene Radford P.N. Elrod Brian should get his name added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted September 17, 2003 Share Posted September 17, 2003 Nah. Let's hope not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloke Posted September 17, 2003 Author Share Posted September 17, 2003 Forgive my ignorance but why are the Herberts unhappy with fan fiction?Brian Herbert appropriately estimates he has the monopoly of Dune related texts, which are the core of the Duniverse.If the available legal texts are not enough, you are supposed to feed your Dune appetite with licensed video and game derivatives, you are not legally supposed to read or write fan fics.Surely to goodness any non-profit fanfic is totally _un_ illegal? What law can be considered to break it?Isn't it a bit simplistic to just attribute their attitude to jealousy? I can't say that I have ever spoken to the guy but he can't be that petty surely?Personally speaking I would never endorse such a short sighted view as it is self defeating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloke Posted September 17, 2003 Author Share Posted September 17, 2003 Fanfiction.net has a list when you log in, of authors who won't allow fanfic to be submitted about their works, and will sue you.FanFiction.Net respects the expressed wishes of the following authors and will not archive entries based on their work: Anne Rice Anne McCaffrey Raymond Feist Robin McKinley Laurell K. Hamilton Nora Roberts/J.D. Robb Irene Radford P.N. Elrod Brian should get his name added.Shame on all of them, do they want to alienate their fans?Maybe some people enjoy telling stories in 'their' worlds? That surely msut be the highest complement that these people can receive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navaros Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 Andrew - what exactly are you basing your comments about Feist on? i bet you that i own and have read more of his books than you, and have had Betrayal at Krondor for much longer than youi used to read stuff that he posted on the web, and he was cool with people using his characters in MUDs and play-by-email games so long as they didn't charge for it or do stupid things with the charactersanyhow, Brian Herbert sounds like a real jerk and all of *his* books are fanfictions and I am quite sure that Frank Herbert is cringing in his grave at the horrendous writing of the Dune "Miniserieses". someone needs to tell Brian Herbert to STFU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 I havn't read any of his books, and I'm sure you had the game longer than me.FanFiction.Net respects the expressed wishes of the following authors and will not archive entries based on their work: Anne Rice Anne McCaffrey Raymond Feist Robin McKinley Laurell K. Hamilton Nora Roberts/J.D. Robb Irene Radford P.N. Elrod http://www.fanfiction.net/guidelines.phpFanfic - The FactsNow, the "official" notice:Fans are discouraged from writing any fiction in Midkemia or using any of the characters created by Raymond E. Feist in other settings. While the author understands this practice of "fanfic," or fan fiction stems from enthusiasm over the work, it is nevertheless a copyright infringement and an abuse of the author's legal rights. The author suggests that fans turn that creative impulse into creating their own, original, worlds and characters. It's much more entertaining creating your own universe than working in someone else's.OK, that's the official disclaimer.The reason I have to take this position is due to years of abuse by fans of other writers/TV shows/movies. The copyright issues are complex and often don't seem to make sense, but the financial risk to myself and my family is real. So, be the "Raymond E. Feist" of your own universe and have a blast. If you get good at it, you never know, someone might someday be writing you fan mail.Thanks for understanding.Best, R.E.F.http://www.crydee.com/feist/refindex.htmThe last quote was from Feist himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpiceGuid Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 Isn't it a bit simplistic to just attribute their attitude to jealousy? I can't say that I have ever spoken to the guy but he can't be that petty surely?Personally speaking I would never endorse such a short sighted view as it is self defeating.On the positive side Brian Herbert has emailed the author of "Dune: Advent" and told him he appreciated the fanfic, which is quite encouraging (note that was long before he's writing his own Dune 7). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted September 18, 2003 Share Posted September 18, 2003 Dune 7: Advent can be found below:http://www.usul.net/fandom/marco/frames.htmlLooks nicely done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exatreide Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 have they sued star wars yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted September 19, 2003 Share Posted September 19, 2003 I think when star wars was originally being made they were against it, but then for some reason dropped thier case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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